Sub 3

For anyone trying to crack the 3 in any marathon anywhere in the world

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13/06/2006 at 16:59
GR lol - losing my touch. Whatever would venom think of me? I never even noticed the unfeasibly large opportunity. Must try harder.

DN Get well soon. Although I note with interest that there is life in the floppy labrador yet on the basis depsite being in the same city yesterday you managed to race whilst someone ~half your age found it too hot. Mind you I guess you would have classed it as too hot before the events of Sunday! Hope it's not stopping the Peter Andre ab-building routine.
13/06/2006 at 19:12
Not posted on here before but stolen some great advice. Did Edinburgh in 3.07.47.First marathon. Now trying to decide what to do next. Am 41 so got good for age for London but wondered if I should try another in sept or oct. Any advice ? PB's are 10k 37.29,half 82.40
13/06/2006 at 21:21
Hi goals, I managed a fairly comfy 2:58 in Berlin off a 10km time 3 seconds slower than you, so you're probably already in shape for a sub 3 effort.

I guess it depends how patient you are - I'd be torn between keeping marathon training up & breaking 3 hours in autumn, or maybe working on 5 / 10km for the summer - perhaps aim for 36:30, then target something a little quicker in FLM 07 - perhaps a 2:50 - 2:55?

What's your running history & current training like?
13/06/2006 at 22:24
Hail Hail

Goals - aha! Now I know who you are, and you know who I am, but should we keep the rest of them in the dark?

I confess that I know goals relatively well, and JEJ is exactly right. He is in easily sub3 shape. If conditions had been good, and he hadnt stopped to help a collapsee then a 2.55 would have been on the cards.

Official time from Sun was 2.47.21 position 18.
13/06/2006 at 23:04
JEJ - no, I live south of the river, therefore Dulwich being convenient for me (although my work hours will mean a quick cycle ride to get there on time). I work near South Quay DLR so most weekdays I'm running somewhere on the island. Sunday I just fancied something a bit different to my usual runs so I ran to Victoria Park, which was about my limit for a 2hr run.

I quite like the Dulwich 5k route as you run round the park clockwise and anticlockwise. Also it's one of those routes starting and finishing in the same place and yet seems to be more downhill than up! It avoids the uphill section of the South Circular from the 10k otherwise it's much the same. I think it should be fairly quick, and you'll have no problems in out-pacing your stalker! I will at least introduce myself providing I escape work in time.
13/06/2006 at 23:09
Speaking of 5k speed, but unfortunately not mine, I did the Bushy Park 5k a few weeks back. For those that don't know it's a free event that is run every Saturday on a very flat course of grass and gravel paths, lovely to run on. Anyway it was a very hot day, I hadn't run for a while, got drunk the night before, is that enough excuses?? So aimed to beat 20 minutes and did so with a bit to spare, happy days. To compare this with the top athletes, Craig Mottram ran it last Saturday in 14 minutes flat!! Must have been a gentle jog to him.

Not turning into the midnight-ish rambler but can't post at work as the email police would be all over that like a cheap suit and block access.

DN Hope the back gets better soon.
14/06/2006 at 09:31
morning all,

sorry for lack of posting - have rather lost the thread a bit of late.... boom boom.

No, had my final exam for the course I've been slaving away at (now finished - just in time for the World Cup yay! - and serious marafun training of course...) Managed to keep the running going but something had to be sacrificed so the thread-posting had to go. Intending to put in a series of long hard posts interspersed with some quicker, short posting bursts to make up for it.

Churning out 55-mile weeks at the moment and gradually heading towards 60 which is unknown territory for me. Also started doing one track session per week, which feels weird as haven't been on the track for several years. Kind of confirmed my strengths and weaknesses though - there's a guy who's run a 2.40 marathon who goes down too and who burns me off on all long runs but I can take almost 50m out of him over 200m....

Up for Yately in August and also gonna do Nottingham half as warm-up for Cardiff.
14/06/2006 at 09:32
welcome to all the newbies by the way...
14/06/2006 at 09:33
oh - and I join DN in being amazed by those Edinburgh times. I'm another who totally wilts in the heat, so amazing efforts guys....
14/06/2006 at 09:33
see - I told you I'd make up for my lack of posting...
14/06/2006 at 09:45
NM2 Hope the Thread Tourettes clears up soon. Might be forced into entering Yateley August too - blidy Ingerland.

CM Somewhere between the CNBA and pf preservation monster got me today I'm afraid. No 14.6km/h action to report. Did the warmup and got halfway through the 1st mile and the pf was a little to noticeable that early in the sesh. Stopped, gave myself a serious talking to and managed to refocus and bank an additional hour at 13km/h - not bad under the circumstances. Despite high mileage (42miles on Mon/Tue) the foot had been improving somewhat - would be good to continue that trend and actually move towards running fast sometimes. Nearly all running is currently confined to the mill and it appears that this and RED shoes is improving the situation.
14/06/2006 at 09:50
Last 12 monthe rankings

2006 Apr 2:44:20 London JEJ
2006 Apr 2:44:25 London CY
2006 Apr 2:46:46 Paris Running Bhoy
2006 Apr 2:48:43 London B&R
2006 Apr 2:52:33 London davidt
2006 Apr 2:52:38 London nigelj
2006 Apr 2:54:33 London Tmap
2006 Apr 2:55:23 London OuchOuch
2005 Oct 2:55:51 Cardiff CRAB
2006 Apr 2:56:05 London batfink
2006 Apr 2:56:06 London hilly
2006 Apr 2:56:24 London Gold Rush
2006 Apr 2:56:36 London OMFA
2005 Dec 2:58:18 Luton Cartman
2006 Apr 2:58:44 London Mrs Tricks
2006 Apr 2:58:49 London Vassy
2006 Apr 2:59:10 London ScottyB
2006 Apr 2:59:36 London Jason Harris 1
2005 Oct 3:01:54 Cardiff Dull Napoleon
2006 Jun 3.02.01 Edinburgh Dan A
2006 Apr 3:03:09 London Bubblecop
2006 May 3:04:18 Halstead That Boy Sure Is A Running Fool
2006 Apr 3:06:44 London NL
2006 Apr 3:06:51 London nichs2
2005 Oct 3:07:29 Abingdon Gobi
2006 Jun 3:07:47 Edinburgh goals
2006 May 3:08:42 Vienna Aitch S
2006 Apr 3:11:15 London Blisters
2006 Apr 3:12:47 London NDOW
2006 Apr 3:15:01 London Impossible is Nothing
2006 Apr 3:16:31 Rotterdam nrg-b
2006 Jun 3:19:52 Edinburgh Odeon1085

Forthcoming Events

2006 Jun Pennine 100 Dan A
2006 Jul IMDE Toucan
2006 Jul 50m Challenge G.R
2006 Jul IMDE Cartman
2006 Aug Boddington 50K Gobi
2006 Oct Cardiff NM2
2006 Oct Cardiff NDOW
2006 Oct Cardiff CRAB
2006 Oct Cardiff OuchOuch
2006 Oct Cardiff WW
2006 Oct Cardiff Odeon1085
2006 Oct Abingdon Dull Napoleon
2006 Oct Abingdon Blisters
2006 Oct Abingdon Brucey Bonus
2006 Oct Dublin Cartman
2006 Oct Dublin CRAB

Popped goals onto the rankings and Brucey{/b] onto the Abingdon starters list again.

Must count my blessings, as my back trouble seems to have disappeared. Suddenly realised that it wasn't there anymore, ran 6 miles after the Brazil game and then slept like a log last night. Still a total mystery why it flared up again after so long.

Isn't interactive TV wonderful. Saw the football without any John Motson commentary. Bliss.

Dull

14/06/2006 at 10:01
DN

Curiosity has got the better of me.

What on earth were you doing, several weeks ago, plodding the streets of Nth London at 6.30am?

I assumed you'd wet the bed or had some other incontinent related accident.
14/06/2006 at 10:26
AB12

I don't run lunchtimes in the summer because of the pollution in Central London, so have to maintain the mileage in the evening or mornings. With the recent heatwave, if I did opt for early it tended to be very early, although I have to say you did well to spot me, as for the most part I try to avoid roads and run x/c in Trent Park.



14/06/2006 at 11:13
Hail Hail

2006 Apr 2:44:20 London JEJ
2006 Apr 2:44:25 London CY
2006 Apr 2:46:46 Paris Running Bhoy
2006 Apr 2:48:43 London B&R
2006 Apr 2:52:33 London davidt
2006 Apr 2:52:38 London nigelj
2006 Apr 2:54:33 London Tmap
2006 Apr 2:55:23 London OuchOuch
2005 Oct 2:55:51 Cardiff CRAB
2006 Apr 2:56:05 London batfink
2006 Apr 2:56:06 London hilly
2006 Apr 2:56:24 London Gold Rush
2006 Apr 2:56:36 London OMFA
2005 Dec 2:58:18 Luton Cartman
2006 Apr 2:58:44 London Mrs Tricks
2006 Apr 2:58:49 London Vassy
2006 Apr 2:59:10 London ScottyB
2006 Apr 2:59:36 London Jason Harris 1
2005 Oct 3:01:54 Cardiff Dull Napoleon
2006 Jun 3.02.01 Edinburgh Dan A
2006 Apr 3:03:09 London Bubblecop
2006 May 3:04:18 Halstead That Boy Sure Is A Running Fool
2006 Apr 3:06:44 London NL
2006 Apr 3:06:51 London nichs2
2005 Oct 3:07:29 Abingdon Gobi
2006 Jun 3:07:47 Edinburgh goals
2006 May 3:08:42 Vienna Aitch S
2006 Apr 3:11:15 London Blisters
2006 Apr 3:12:47 London NDOW
2006 Apr 3:15:01 London Impossible is Nothing
2006 Apr 3:16:31 Rotterdam nrg-b
2006 Jun 3:19:52 Edinburgh Odeon1085

Forthcoming Events

2006 Jun Pennine 100 Dan A
2006 Jul IMDE Toucan
2006 Jul 50m Challenge G.R
2006 Jul IMDE Cartman
2006 Aug Boddington 50K Gobi
2006 Aug Hood To Coast (USA) Running Bhoy
2006 Oct Cardiff NM2
2006 Oct Cardiff NDOW
2006 Oct Cardiff CRAB
2006 Oct Cardiff OuchOuch
2006 Oct Cardiff WW
2006 Oct Cardiff Odeon1085
2006 Oct Abingdon Dull Napoleon
2006 Oct Abingdon Blisters
2006 Oct Abingdon Brucey Bonus
2006 Oct Dublin Cartman
2006 Oct Dublin CRAB


Planning on doing Glasgow Men's 10k on Sun (no jokes about not being allowed to enter since I'm only a Bhoy, please). Relatively flat course around and through Bellahouston Park in Glasgow's leafy southside. Temp predicted at 21C, with light wind. Would like to go sub 35 (who wouldnt), but not sure how much recovery my legs will have had. Any predictions?
14/06/2006 at 11:37
RB - for anyone else I'd say the week after a marafun - NO CHANCE. But as I've said before, you are a freak of nature so I'm gonna go for 34.58.
14/06/2006 at 12:46
Hail Hail

CRAB - as you well know, BLUE shoes run faster than RED ones. Although my nice yellow ones do pretty good too!

NM2 - ooh you're confident son!
14/06/2006 at 13:56
RB 35:10

14/06/2006 at 13:57
RB - 35:14 and not a second quicker. You won't beat my December 10km time. That's an order.

I do need a new pb over 10km soon though - my best time this year is 36:10, but that did include a nipping into the clubhouse for a cr@p.

Perahps Yatley in August, then county champs in September before going back to my pb course in December could provide some fruitful improvements.
14/06/2006 at 14:11
NM2- 34.58
DN - 35:10
JEJ- 35.14
Ode- 35.26

Guys, some quick advice required. Just ordered P and D online. Not a single bookshop in Cheltenham had it!

Gonna train and run using HRM for Cardiff. I have read on previous posts 88% being marathon rate and HM obviously slightly quicker/higher.

I normally train and run well below these targets. Do I jump straight in at higher rates or build up to it.

FYI:

31 yrs
MHR - 197 (Jan 06-prob higher now as fitter but that's gd enough)
Rest- 48 (Average over 10 mins 3 different days during taper week).

What should be my relative rates during training/racing. 5k on 19th July first target?

P.S. Official time same as my own time.267th
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