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22/11/2012 at 17:51

Good luck at bootcamp, DS2.

Tentatively hoping neck is pretty improved (it got through last night's rehearsal), but it's hard to know how much of that is down to the painkillers and anti-inflammatories...  Sports massage tonight and sports masseuse gets a treat: as a change from legs, she can work on my back, neck and shoulders!

22/11/2012 at 18:06

Jools - Thanks. I am looking forward to it immensely. I was wondering how things were with your neck. Worried you had been washed away in the floods. Was your area badly affected? Have you been able to run with the neck pain or is concert rehearsals too timeconsuming anyway?

22/11/2012 at 19:21

I haven't wanted to risk running in case I made it worse, as I've got a concert on Saturday followed by a rehearsal on Sunday (and I couldn't really take any time off work this week).  Assuming tonight's treatment continues the improvement, I'll try a run tomorrow afternoon (conditions might also be a little more clement by then!) and hopefully get a few 1 hour runs in before the end of the week.  It's not the end of the world to have missed some running this week as I've got another 5 months to go!

22/11/2012 at 20:00
DS2, I nearly got stuck in Jools' stomping ground (Bristol) yesterday. Turned up at the station and all of the trains were cancelled. Managed to get one of the last hire cars within a 20mile radius and then enjoyed a 6 hr solid drive - what fun

Good luck with your girls by the way, one of my boys was diagnosed when he was 2. With the right help and a lot of effort from his family he's managed to turn into an incredibly annoying teenage boy - so he's doing quite well in fact, been to York with him today (another 6 hr round trip) for a university interview which sounds like it went well. Moral of the story, with the right help, which you always have to fight hard for, you'll be surprised at how much progression can be achieved.

Hope the next phase of treatment works Jools
22/11/2012 at 20:15

Fingers crossed for you Jools!

I'd love to go to the Running Show, but it's far too far away and I have no money.

22/11/2012 at 20:17

SJ - that's great news about your boy and DS2 I had to read back to see about your twin girls. I admire anyone with twins - I just don't know how you cope!

My niece has aspergers.  She's 21 now but her school days were the worst of her life because she just didn't 'get' the work.  She wasn't diagnosed until she as about 12 because she hid it really well - although I guess she didn't realise she was hiding anything.  She didn't get any GCSEs worth talking about; I think she gained some 'qualifications' in life skills.  However, she is now a very confident and beautiful young lady and runs her own business.  

Jools - maybe you could help me?  I love classical music when I hear it but don't know one composer from the other .   I often think I'd like some classical music to do my long runs to but I'm just lost as to what to look for.  Any suggestions?

I ran for the first time in a week tonight.  I sweaty 5 miles on the treadmill since its pouring outside.  I'm still coughing so my race on Saturday might be off although I really want to do it even if its not at race pace.  I think I would benefit from more racing so wanting to make a conscious effort to do any that are within my vicinity.  This one is 50 miles away but to me that's local.

 

22/11/2012 at 20:50
SlokeyJoe wrote (see)
with the right help, which you always have to fight hard for

and that Ladies and Gentlemen is the bitter unfairness in the system which favours the educated middle classes.

Minni wrote (see)

 She didn't get any GCSEs worth talking about; I think she gained some 'qualifications' in life skills.  However, she is now a very confident and beautiful young lady and runs her own business.  

Which also makes one question the focus of assessment in our education system that in this case appears to have wasted 12 years of a young persons life and labelled them a failure, when they have been so successful in the real world.

 

Good luck on the recovery Jools. Sounds like you are better AR if you are hitting double digits - which you had earlier as a target for the end of the month.

I have a feeling that at 5.30am tomorrow I might be pleased I purchased that dreadmill afterall. 

22/11/2012 at 21:45
Minni - obviously Joolska will be more expert but if you want stg interesting with uplifting uptempo bits, Mozart's operas. If you like loud and challenging, Shostakovich. For music that would make a great film soundtrack, Sibelius

(retreats back into educated middle class shell)
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As for children who fall through the system, niece Poachette2 went to a school with a specialist dyslexia unit....yet went undiagnosed and unhelped until uni. What were they playing at?
22/11/2012 at 21:57

Jools - As you say 5 months to go and no point in risking not being able to do the other things you love in life. Seems the inclement weather is on it's way up here to the South East!

Slokey  - That's great news about your son. I am feeling much better about the future and others successful experiences do help. We have had the fortune of meeting some really caring teachers and that has made it bearable, although I must admit to shedding more than a few tears as their school lives unravelled.

Minni - The eldest twin hid it well as well and we only got a formal diagnosis earlier this year. Fantastic that your niece has made such progress but a scandal that so many go through school in this way. Keir is right. I suppose I fall into the 'educated middle classes' although I grew up on a council estate (I sound like Nadine Dorries!) and being able to articulate and used to dealing with professionals has made a huge difference. The authority view is kick everything in the long grass and hope the parents go away. Only the tenacious ones stick it out - and us marathoners are tenacious! Anyway, I could rant forever and that wasn't the intention. Thanks for all your wishes. Incidentally, Minni the girls are Aspergers as well.

Keir - I've just been out walking the dog and the rain has arrived. Will no doubt get to you within the hour. I think you may be glad of that dreadmill!!!

22/11/2012 at 21:59

Jan 20 - efc-Col- Four villages half - sub 82
Jan 20 - Minni - Brass Monkey - sub.... OO- sub 80??
Feb 2 - Poacher - Thames Trot 50 - sub 7:15
Feb 10 - Moof - Wokingham HM - sub 83; Jools tbc , Also-ran sub 84, PMJ same or better than this year 79:34
Feb 17 - Also-ran - Bramley 20 - PMP+10s
Mar 3 - Dylan man - Bath half - sub 1.22; Jools sub 85 (mebbe)
Mar 10 - Minni - Northumberland HM - sub...
Mar 17 - Moof - Reading HM - sub Wokingham
Mar 17 - Also-ran - Reading HM - sub 1:22
Mar 17 - Lunchtime - Reading HM - sub 1:30; Jools PMP
Mar 25 - CC2 - Loughborough HM - sub 86
April 7 - Dylan man - Taunton marathon (prov) - sub 3.10
April 21 - Poacher + Keir - VLM - TBC
April 21 - efc-Col - VLM - sub 2:57
April 21 - Moof + Jools+ OO??+ Also-ran - VLM - sub 3
April 21 - CC2 - VLM - sub 3.05
April 21 - Lorenzo - VLM - sub 3:10
April 21 - SBD + Minni + LB70 - VLM - sub 3:15
April 21 - Freemers - VLM - sub 3.20
April 28 - Slokey Joe - Manchester - sub 3:00
April 28 - Knight Rider - Manchester - sub 3:10
April 28 - Bike It - Manchester - TBC
May 6 - Lunchtime - Milton Keynes - sub 3:15
May 12 - DS2 - Halstead - sub 3:15 25 -
May 25 - Poacher - GUCR - sub 35
June 2 - Bike It - Comrades - sub 8:30  

Decided to join in the Wokingham fun.

22/11/2012 at 22:06
My niece wasn't unhappy at school but obviously she missed out on all the fun and excitement surrounding achievement in school. But with the right support from her family as she grew up (after she left school) she's really been able to work on her strengths, and as for the weaknesses well there's always a way around those.

Thanks for the music tips Poacher.
22/11/2012 at 22:10

Jan 20 - efc-Col- Four villages half - sub 82 
Jan 20 - Minni - Brass Monkey - sub.... OO- sub 80?? 
Feb 2 - Poacher - Thames Trot 50 - sub 7:15 
Feb 10 - Moof - Wokingham HM - sub 83; Jools tbc , Also-ran sub 84, PMJ same or better than this year 79:34 
Feb 17 - Also-ran - Bramley 20 - PMP+10s 
Mar 3 - Dylan man - Bath half - sub 1.22; Jools sub 85 (mebbe) 
Mar 10 - Minni - Northumberland HM - sub... 
Mar 17 - Moof - Reading HM - sub Wokingham 
Mar 17 - Also-ran - Reading HM - sub 1:22 
Mar 17 - Lunchtime - Reading HM - sub 1:30; Jools PMP 
Mar 25 - CC2 - Loughborough HM - sub 86 
April 7 - Dylan man - Taunton marathon (prov) - sub 3.10 
April 21 - Poacher - VLM - TBC
April 21 - Keir - VLM - 2.49 
April 21 - efc-Col - VLM - sub 2:57 
April 21 - Moof + Jools+ OO??+ Also-ran - VLM - sub 3 
April 21 - CC2 - VLM - sub 3.05 
April 21 - Lorenzo - VLM - sub 3:10 
April 21 - SBD + Minni + LB70 - VLM - sub 3:15 
April 21 - Freemers - VLM - sub 3.20 
April 28 - Slokey Joe - Manchester - sub 3:00 
April 28 - Knight Rider - Manchester - sub 3:10 
April 28 - Bike It - Manchester - TBC 
May 6 - Lunchtime - Milton Keynes - sub 3:15 
May 12 - DS2 - Halstead - sub 3:15 25 -
May 25 - Poacher - GUCR - sub 35
June 2 - Bike It - Comrades - sub 8:30  

It makes me very uncomfortable for an A target goal time list to have TBC and sub... Therefore I have decided man-up and lay my newly chopped balls on the line for VLM.

22/11/2012 at 22:22

DS2 Good luck with boot camp and more importantly with your family.

OO I have always worked away and do 99% of my running alone. In fact I prefer to train alone, so I can't give any advice on the differences with being away or at home. I can understand how a club would be a great help for motivation and drive, but as I am away most of the time I can't see the point in joining one.

 

22/11/2012 at 22:36

DS2 - I hope you get through, your story and challenges will be inspirational for so many. 

Minni - Flight of the Bumblebee would be great for running to. Maybe the 1812 Overture as well, although I'd be tempted to wave my arms around too much to that one. 

22/11/2012 at 22:59
PMJ - thanks for the info re parking. I hadn't spotted that - the last show I went to there had free parking. I'm tempted to write to them saying I'll be arriving by helicopter as that's another option!

Minni - I'd suggest getting a good compilation CD: a combo of Carmina Burana, the Ride of the Valkyries, the Arrival of the Queen of Sheba, a good dose of Elgar and the finish off with the Chariots of Fire theme!!!
23/11/2012 at 07:32

I'm going for a nasty operation at the dentist this afternoon. But it says a lot that my main concern id whether I can run after......

You're very sophisticated Lorenzo!

23/11/2012 at 10:14

OO - hope it goes well. I hate trips to the dentist!

As for the autism/aspergers thing, rather than rant on on this thread about it I've started a new thread for anyone interested: Autism and running under clubhouse section of the forum. I would just finish here by saying it really helps to hear of other people conquering life difficulties, so thanks for that yesterday!

23/11/2012 at 11:11

Minni: not one I've considered (I'd get too distracted by the music).  You don't want anything with a very wide dynamic range because you'd have to keep messing around with the volume control which I'm guessing would be irritating.  Last movement of Tchaikovsky's 4th and 5th Symphonies are probably a good bet; last movements of Shostakovitch's 5th and 10th Symphonies; last movement of Beethoven 6 is probably pretty invigorating to run to; first movement of Beethoven 5; Smetana Ma Vlast; Dvorak - New World Symphony last movement and Slavonic Dances.  That should keep you going for about 40 miles!

Going to attempt a run this afternoon

23/11/2012 at 12:02

Jools - have you got waders? I assume the neck is feeling better? Hope it goes well.

Nice list! Have never run to music! Always assumed it would cause me to lose concentration or get carried away if the tempo was a bit upbeat. Do many on here listen on the run?

23/11/2012 at 12:07
Keir wrote (see)
SlokeyJoe wrote (see)
with the right help, which you always have to fight hard for

and that Ladies and Gentlemen is the bitter unfairness in the system which favours the educated middle classes.

There speaks the teacher

Good target for VLM 2013 there, it is mine for VLM 2014. It is going to be 18 months since your last maarthon, any plans to offset that with 26.2 @ MP + 60?

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