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21/07/2013 at 20:14

Some good tough racing from Jools, Speedy, PMJ and Lorenzo. Also sounds like you had a great day out Minni.

Like Jools I ran 18m today to round off a 58m cut back week. Unfuelled. Thirsty at the end but couldn't resist a dip in the sea before getting a bottle to drink. 

21/07/2013 at 21:49
18 for me this morning to give me 55 for the week. It wasn't a cut back week but it will be in about 4 weeks time. No schedule for me for Abo, just going to wing it and increase mileage and intensity over 3 week blocks before a cut back week. (I suppose that is a plan)
Let's see if I can get to the start line in, nearly, one piece.

AR- I'm not nearly in decent enough shape at the moment for the maidenhead half to give you a run for your money. Still, plenty of time yet. Is that fighting talk?

Great effort Minnie.
21/07/2013 at 22:54

Good long running Jools, Keir & Moof - Switching back to marathon training myself from tomorrow after a day off today.

Moof - no smackdown talk - I'm relying on you to drag me round. I know when I'm beaten

21/07/2013 at 23:22

Great long running in the heat from Jools, Moof and Keir.

Glad you enjoyed it Minni - very envious.

Jools - will keep an eye out for you next Saturday!!

Out on my bike first thing for a quick spin up and down Box Hill before taking younger Lorenzito to the last track and field league match of the season. Fingers crossed we accumulated enough points for promotion in my first season as team manager!!!

22/07/2013 at 07:06

Well done Lorenzo - if you make promotion Lorenzito and the team should call you 'the special one.'

Up a bit late today - have the morning off and was planning on a Long Run. It's a wee bit hot already.

22/07/2013 at 08:29

Speedy v. Literatin - sounds like it could be a classic smackdown!
Congrats to Speedy on 1st lady at parkrun.
AR - still a very decent 10k - hope all the niggles settle down soon so you can give it a real bash.
Lorenzo - well done on the parkrun PB. Hope your team did you proud.
PMJ - great parkrun - good luck with your international competitions.
Jools - good miles.
Minni - sounds like you had a great day.
Keir - 58M cut-back week!
Moof - nice LSR.
5 slow miles to start the week for me. Looks like it's back to plan A for me i.e. Peterborough on 13th Oct, so 12 weeks to go. After this cut-back week, I'm focussing on some speedwork during August.

22/07/2013 at 11:00

Nice to readback on several successes, speedy, AR and Lorenzo and the prospect of a thread smackdown is super. Its anyones by the sounds of it and I am enjoying the battle for the title of underdog.

Howe are you finding P&D Jools - Have you done it before?


22/07/2013 at 11:29

I think this is the 4th time I've followed one of their schedules (I did the 24 week one for VLM this year and I did the 18 week one for FLM and Amsterdam in 2007).  It's fine and seems to work for me, although I always find the first few weeks of MLRs and LSRs a bit of a shock!

22/07/2013 at 12:54

I am looking forward to getting back into this schedule as it seems to deliver all round endurance and lifts up my shorter PBs whilst being physically manageable. Will need to enter a marathon first then!.

22/07/2013 at 13:38

PnD obviously suits you Jools.  I tried the up to 70 plan at the start of last year and was only half way through it when I nailed a 1:22 half which was a massive leap for me (first time under 1:30). I broke down with injury soon after though so this time I'm trying a cross between IM training and PnD - I.e. I'm taking the basics of a little speedwork, a tempo run, a midweek MLR and an LSR plus some endurance focused cycling and swimming each week to get some additional volume without trashing my legs again.

I'll peak at 56miles with the peak 6 week block averaging 50mpw of running with an average of 12hrs per week of total training from week 4 to week 14 (of 16) (still aiming for Frankfurt).

I am assuming that I can carry my IM endurance over to a fast marathon with more focus on running and reintroducing some faster run sessions.  I've only hit 10k pace once this year and that was in an Olympic tri so it might be a shock to the system. 

22/07/2013 at 16:08
TR wrote (see)

Keir - I noted it, I thought (to myself) that AR was injured the other day. But it looks like he cut it short by 20M so fair play to him.


TR wrote (see)

AR - matches not match sticks. You mentioned a treadmill mara, and then Keir did and then I did. I kind of regret mentioning the noting of it now now anyway. Keir and his big mouth !

TR, Time for a bit of honesty. Gulp.

I am sitting here reading back, and my answer to you was  rather curt - many apologies. As a bit of background, I haven't exactly met the 'normal' psychological profile over my life, and go through prolonged downs followed by hypomanic periods .... and during those tend to obsess on one goal. That goal is usually realistic and achievable, but I tend to focus solely on it to the detriment of everything and everyone around me. The phycs tend to help and give mind numbing chemicals, but the odd obsesssion creeps through, and when I'm in that mode get a bit sensitive about the mildest, most inocuous, and  well meaning comments that even suggests I'm perhaps out of control.

So since taking up running last year,  I have tried to steer well away from targets, and to treat it as something that is a hobby, fun, enjoyable, and chance to get away from things. But I failed miserably last autumn (hence having to run 2 marathons in a week to hit sub 3), and then I seem to have fallen into the same this summer, trying to do too much at once, as though my running future is at stake (trying to change running form, while training for 10ks, while doing Trail Marathons, while looking fo the ultimate cure to get rid of a bit of weakness, while having some wierd idea about doing a treadmill marathon)

So basically I need to get back to what I did for VLM, and not treat it all so seriously, run more to feel, let my body heel etc.

Hopefully I am ready now to return to some sensible running

- I've stopped searching out someone to 'heal me' - sorry physios & chiropractors
- I've fininshed with the 10k stuff for now
- I only have ONE marathon booked for Autumn (Abingdon) and no others
- I extinguished to treadmill marathon thing by taking the morning off and doing it (yes - I was beaten by this)

So, sorry for being curt - my head was a little f'd up last week. You advice is always welcome (but just not on a bad day!)



Edited: 22/07/2013 at 16:12
22/07/2013 at 16:19

So, i'm not proud of this one - the Treadmill Marathon:

miles 1 to 6 - hard going, counting down the miles to go in tenths

miles 7 to 22 - at last it the 'treadmill trance' mode and time slips by

miles 23 to 26 - feels ok, physically far less demanding then the same point in a road race

After the 10k training, the pace was really really comfortable, but I will not be racing a Treadmill Marathon.

Think I destroyed my phone due to the pools of sweat generated, but did manage a picture of the finish line:



Edited: 22/07/2013 at 16:23
22/07/2013 at 17:54

Nicely done on the "bit of honesty", Also-ran.

I hope there was a particularly gripping episode of Homes Under The Hammer on tv this morning, to accompany your extinguishing episode.


22/07/2013 at 18:01

I'll break the radio silence here to say well done for sharing your story, AR.  No need to feel it is a confession of a well hidden secret.  We all have ups and downs and some are just greater than others as you have worked out for yourself.  If you were here in California, you would get a great big hug for that disclosure and a massive round of applause... so think yourself lucky you aren't.   Pleased you are going to give your old body a break.  It sounds like it needs it. A bit of rest doesn't harm any of us from time to time.*


* we just get fatter as my bottom will attest.

22/07/2013 at 19:31

Thanks Guys.

Not good tv viewing on the treadmill tv due to Royal Baby chitter chat . I hope my small reveal gives some shape to my somewhat mentalist approach at times.

Ps I won't be  sensitive about it so if in a few month time I win another thread nutter of the month award, then so be it 

Edited: 22/07/2013 at 19:37
22/07/2013 at 20:35
You've just won this months. (For you treadmill antics!)
22/07/2013 at 21:03

Thread nutter / respect go hand in hand AR. 

Well done on the confession. Of course we are all a bit obsessive otherwise we wouldn't be chasing that ever faster pb, but I guess some are more obsessive than others. 

Then again, I am sure it will be you leading the thread home at Abingdon (unless you manage to put your jaw out of place in the meantime!) 


SJ - I like your new minimal stress approach to the campaign - just making sure the ingredients are in the bowl and not worying too much about the order of the mix. I am sure that with the endurance base you have built up along with cross training to rest the legs, you will find that you do not need the same miles as previous campaigns. 

22/07/2013 at 21:16

The photo isn't very clear AR, but is that 6.37 min miling???? 

22/07/2013 at 21:24

I reckon that would make it the run about 2hrs 53 mins 47 secs.


22/07/2013 at 21:24

6.38 on the garmin Speedy - I don't trust the treadmill distance / pace, I mean 6.37 pace would be a bit nutty wouldn't it

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