Sub 3h15

For anyone trying to crack the 3h15 barrier anywhere in the world

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06/11/2013 at 18:42

I didn't even make it to a uni because I failed most of my A levels. I did scrape into a Polytechnic, but I got kicked out of there after 6 months. I blame computers - if I hadn't met a Commodore Pet the year before my A levels I wouldn't have lost all interest in the subjects I'd chosen and may have actually studied for them, and now I'd probably be a town planner! Instead I managed to wangle my way into software developement, then shifted sideways into testing, and I've been a contract software tester for over 20 years now.

Pace for long runs is interesting. I've found that for me my long run pace has barely changed between training for 3:30 and training for 3 hours and 8:00 to 8:10 seems to be my comfy pace. The difference comes in the faster stuff as when I chose to I can go faster for longer compared to 4 or 5 years ago.


A circuit session last night 3 x 9 exercises, 30 seconds each, with a lap of the park every 3 exercises. My upper body is so weak, and the left side is merely a counterbalance for the right!

06/11/2013 at 20:14

PhD in organic chemistry. Do I win?

My two eldest are at uni studying theoretical physics and maths and particle physics and cosmology respectively. What a fun bunch we are....! Don't get invited to many dinner parties unsurprisingly. 

Jools, the thought of somebody contemplating practising law for "fun" is mind boggling. 

Groin is still niggling away although had my best night's sleep last night for a month which is a sign that it is settling down.  Fingers are crossed (I might be able to cross my legs soon too)  

06/11/2013 at 20:14

I did social sciences at Uni and never use any of it in my job. I was poor at maths but do use every day, and poor at languages but now speak a couple to a reasonable level. Strangely all my kids are strong in maths and sciences.

2 shorts runs this week. Not short of hills around here so I tend to put in a couple on most runs. Tomorrow will be a non-running day but hols on Friday so I should recover with a long one.

Nice to hear from you MM, sounds like you've moved towards the bike over running Are you seeing any benefits?. 

06/11/2013 at 20:48
University of Life studying hard knocks for me. Just two O levels to my name. Stumbled into IT as an experiment for a worldwide computer firm. Just happened to get invited to the interview on the strength I was the only one on the YTS course with a driving license. Passed the selection and was the youngest computer engineer in the UK at 18.

Have passed more exams out of school than I did in it. Did PRINCE2 just last year.

Shove up on the step moof and pass me my D monickered conical cranial protector.

06/11/2013 at 20:49

Mmmm, marathons...... Well the plan was that after I did reasonably well in 2011 at all distances I would consolidate in 2012 and then go FULLBORE in May this year at the Essex marathon (I think) as that was *just* after I turned 40. The idea being to give myself a cheeky birthday present of sub 3. However, things started going pear shaped in early 2012 and that was that. Having a surgeon fiddle around with your spinal column tends to make you realise that maybe running a marathon 6 months later on top of no running for the previous 6 months might not be the brightest idea.

Now the focus is on seeing how I cope with racing over ever increasing distances so I'm ok with 5k and on Saturday I'll see how I cope with 10k (ish). If the xc season goes ok then I've got a 5 miler planned locally for Dec 29th and then look at 2014 as seeing if I can near to where I was at distances up to HM. If my OAP frame stands up to the rigours and I can get under 84mins for a HM then I'll think about something longer.

It may be my body simply can't cope with anything longer than 90mins and if that happens so be it. I'm happy enough with a sub 3h15 time and I saw several of my clubmates this year go in to London in sub 3 form and all three bombed out so as you know, there are no guarantees and marathon running is a cruel endeavour. I guess that's why we love it huh?

OO50 - always been a cyclist tbh so it's nice to get back into the groove and I reckon that cycling benefits running rather than vice versa. If you look at multi-sport athletes they all train the cv system and it does cross over but if I wanted to be a really good runner I'd run more than I cycled.

06/11/2013 at 21:19
Ah the good ol youth training schemes. Sporty badger you must have left school 1983/84. ??25 a week seemed a better deal than further education.

A few miles on my bike today (without stabilizers) as left calf is still a bit stiff, I may test it out tomorrow.
06/11/2013 at 21:56
??27.50 and an expenses fiddle on the travel costs taking me to ??35.25. Luckily I was in a college in Covent Garden for a year and not deployed as a slave in the workplace. Another year later my New Romantic mullet hit the barber's floor and I was assimilated into corporate Britain.
Are you a YTS veteran moof?

06/11/2013 at 22:21
Yes I am SB, still carry the scars of Maggies slave labour.. I wasn't going to mention the expense fiddle in case big brother is watching but it did pay for an extra couple of packs of B&H.
I feel better now I've got that out in the open and I'm sure Joolska will be able to sort us out if the inland revenue comes knocking.
06/11/2013 at 22:57

6.2 for me tonight, for once I decided to do a proper w/u with the 1st two miles at 8:20mm and then 3 miles at 7:15mm with final 1.2 at 8:30. Crikey it was force 7 out there tonight but enjoyed that run. Trying to mix up the runs a bit more to see what that produces. Aiming for 40 miles this week, that equates to a big week by my standards. Toying with the idea of doing half next Sunday. It's a hilly course and will make a late call depending on the conditions. Don't feel I'm near PB shape but next one is next June which is a bit long to wait....

06/11/2013 at 23:46

Great to hear from you again MM - you're obviously just starting marathon training again as you wouldn't be on here again

Brilliant sub 3 PB from salf in Amsterdam. Knew about it on FB, but didn't like to break thread etiquette on here. Now her training schedule would be interesting to see, as I believe she didn't do any stuctured LSR's as we know them, but a lot of fell running instead!

Interesting debate again about LR pace. I'm finding it hard at the moment to get the right side of 8 minute miling. After a couple of weeks, tonight was the first 5 miler all over 8mm pace rather than just a couple I think you are right Gul, it does take a bit of practice. In the next few weeks I want to build my LSR back up to 16 - 18, but all over 8mm pace.

BA (Hons) in graphic design and still doing it! Thanks for the kind words of support on my digital portraits. Just finished another one yesterday of my father in law, which I am pleased with

07/11/2013 at 06:43

Abbers - I try and stick to the roads in town with pavements and lighting. well done on getting out.
Poacher - you're turning into a bit of a treadie-addict!
BOTF - good exercises.
SJ - hope you'll see the back of that injury soon.
MM - some good targets.
GM - June's not that far away
KR - good progress!
After being reprimanded by Poacher, I was out at 3:45 this morning. Mainly because I was doing my long run today instead of Saturday. So 17 very slow miles (c. MP+20%). Must dash to get to the bathroom before everyone else wakes up!

07/11/2013 at 08:35

For a moment there, I thought you said you got up at 3.45am to go running?

Now THAT'S dedication! Good work.


07/11/2013 at 09:59

Gul - you had a gap of was it three years between your half marathons? So I suppose to you June is not far away, but to me it is. Anything could happen between now and then. Running 17 miles at 3:45am is bonkers! How many hours sleep do you get? You gonna have a little nap now?

07/11/2013 at 13:50

6 hilly miles at lunchtime, really didn't fancy all! Huffed and puffed it out with a mate, Just ran on feel, didn't look att the time until the finish and we seem to have avergaed 7.36 pace.

Happy with that as my legs felt mashed after Tuesday's tempo and spinning sessions.

Really didn't want to go but it's true what they say, you never regret going for a run but you do regret binning one..


07/11/2013 at 14:39

Ah Gul you beat me well and truely this morning.  I had a lie in.  (eh? Christmas already???)

Maths and Phychology for me and then moved into business.   But I'd really like to be a full time, sponsored athlete......


07/11/2013 at 14:48

5k lunch run in the puddles along the promenade with a female colleague of mine churned out 6:56 avg mm pace. Felt fairly comfortable at that pace so pleased with that effort.

SB - I believe the best time to go for a run is when you least want to, for me they are often the most satisfying. Good 6 mile hilly run. I'm impressed you manage to squeeze in a 6 miler on lunch break? Presuming that is when you say lunchtime you mean your lunch hour?

07/11/2013 at 15:30

The company are quite good. There's some give and take, I get in around 8.20 and leave around 5.50, so if I have a slightly longer lunch break they don't mind. Today I left my desk at 12.05 and sat back down after my shower at 13.15. I love the reaction of the coughing office smokers when I do a 5 miler, they can't believe I can get changed, run that distance, have a shower and return to my desk in under one hour.  Smug bar steward!


07/11/2013 at 16:02

Saw this:

...  is a member of a mostly invisible and underappreciated group known as the sub-elites. They have more than respectable times — the men finishing in the 2:20 to 2:35 range, the women in the 2:50 to 3:05 range — but have no chance to win the biggest marathons and receive little attention and even less financial reward.

07/11/2013 at 16:14

Slokey Joe, I have one of those also, fat lot of good it did me mind!

07/11/2013 at 16:55

PMJ - I saw that spiel in the NY marathon program. They were given their own start line  so unfortunately the elites had to mix it with the also-rans.

Better still they had a very short walk to baggage collection. Maybe that is enough to interest Jools.

Arrived back this morning at 7:30, and back at my desk by 9:30 . Welcome back work; how I missed you.

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