For anyone trying to crack the 3h15 barrier anywhere in the world
Matchstick Man wrote (see)
Can't quote off this iTouch but I'm expecting some ribbing from the eagle eyed amongst you who noticed Pipes' 85min time translating to a sub 3.......
Yeah, but she's got a sub 1:22 to her name as well which helps
18 for me round The Great Park today - 9 with the group then a 2nd lap on my own. 2nd lap slightly faster, but not by much, and I really found the last couple of hills pretty testing - must do some more hill work pretty soon. Ended up with 18.16 miles in 2:29:53 which is 8:15 pace, and HR spot on at 149 average, but it was quite a bit higher the last 4 miles, and I wouldn't have wanted to go much further. I now predict a lot of sitting down for the rest of the day.
Welcome aboard OsloNeil, Pipes and jane326! Great to see a few more peps joining in the fun.
I’ve finally decided on running the Belfast Marathon next year and targeting sub 3:10 as my goal. That’s only 3 minutes quicker than my recent PB but between 12 weeks and 9 weeks before the marathon I’ll be in Cuba getting married and eating and drinking waaaaay too much every day!
It’s 20 weeks to Belfast now so my plan is to run 3 x 20+ milers before Cuba and 3 after. I’m also considering running my last LSR before Cuba pretty close to MP so the first week of my ‘Marrymoon’ will be a recovery week. My rationale is to bring myself close to marathon fitness before Cuba, so I’ll have less fitness to recovery too after the inevitable drop due to the Cuban partying.
Has anyone else had a holiday 2 to 3 months before a marathon and still managed a PB? Any tips or advice would be appreciated.
Looking forward to the report Speedy, I like your reports
Badbark - no advice from me I am afraid but i did go to Cuba with Mr C before we were married (gosh - that's about 14 years ago now!) and loved the place so I am envious of you getting married there. Can you time one of your recovery weeks for while you are away to negate the effects of reduced training? I would think you would have enough time when you get back to regain any losses.
Jane - Do you do all your steady mileage at 7.45-8mm? That's not so far away from your last MP no? Even assuming a 3.15 marathon pace of 7.27mm, that's pretty quick! I just noted that you said you struggle to hit the faster paces, to be honest I would do too if I ran all my other miles at close to MP!! Typically, easy miles are run around MP + 60-90 secs per mile. If you slowed down, you would be able to perhaps cope better with the more intense stuff and more volume (if you wanted to)?
CC2 - Speedy Goth wrote (see)
KK, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but a 16 week schedule for VLM starts on December 27th. Sue, I have my fingers crossed for you. Report from today's trot will follow in a few hours after food and long hot bath.
Badbark - I was in Mexico for 3 weeks in August last year and then ran a 3 min PB (going from 3:16:30 to 3:13:30 give or take) at Abingdon in October. When I was on hols I was caught some kind of virus (swine flu?!) and whilst it didn't stop my enjoyment of the holiday for more than a couple of days, I didn't feel like running until the last week when I managed a couple of 6-7 milers.
I had a reasonably good base to work from having done London earlier in April and the Picnic in June, so I just concentrated on getting in some quality sessions (one long run with last 25% at MP, one speed session and one medium length mid week run per week) in the month or so between coming back and starting the taper.
It sounds as though you're in good shape, so I wouldn't worry unduly about having the time off and two months is long enough to top up the base when you get back. Anyhow, can't you persuade the future Mrs B&B to let you take your running gear and you can at least fit in a few runs in between all the post wedding cross training exercise you'll be up to!
The most important thing is that you enjoy the wedding and don't fret about losing fitness - there are plenty of marathons to be run, but not too many opportunities to enjoy getting hitched.
BTW - I managed to find time for a bath and the Christmas cards - only a few more to go now!
Welcome to so many, looks like the stakes are being raised by some quality runners, maybe Jase won't be on out front on his own for long. Some heroic treadmill efforts too.
Badbark - a hol 2-3 months before a race is not stg to worry about, tons of time to catch up when you come home. Thousands of people run overseas races in places like NY or Boston and many are jet lagged/knackered/dehydrated from a long flight only a day or two beforehand - that's got to be much more debilitating than a holiday 8-12 weeks earlier. Have a great time, and an enormous fat cigar.
9m mostly on the beach this morning (Minni - it's perishing on the coast, must be worse up your way)
Good running from SBD,MM,Lorenzo,MSe, Gul, BOTF and OGL
4 recovery miles for me today, breaking in new shoes, feel fine. These will be marthon shoes as current ones getting close to 400 miles.
Badbark - Don't fancy some warm weather training then? As others have said Cuba is a wonderful place. If you 're staying in Varadero try and do the Catamaran day trip.
KK - I came back from injury in Spring and started with 6 mpw in June, so mileage was lower than it should be for my Abingdon campaign. In total I averaged 38 mpw inc 5 longest runs = 99 miles. Achieved sub 3.10, However I don't think it is simply a case of saying do X mileage per week and you will run X time.
MM - Congratulations on the highest weekly mileage week I have seen on this thread for quite sometime. Why on the earth would you want to use the fitness from that sort of mileage to run a marathon?
SBD - Sounds like you are all motivated and excited to start the campaign then
Neil - Snow in southern Kent all gone (apart from very few hidden patches). North Kent still has snow on fields but roads all open. This week is meant to be cold again though. Whereabouts in Kent will you be returning to? If you join in the 10k there will be 3 of us requiring post event pints.
Like you Lorenzo, I hit the North Downs way today. Planned to do 18m, BarryB style (no food, gels, water, just breakfast as fuel). Not too worried about pace as I wanted to go up and down a few hills. In fact did quite a bit cross fields and through woods, as the mood took me. Remembered to lube up my nips and lips but forgot my tackle. Not normally a problem but the black pats I had on I thought were the running tight friendly version, but turned out to be the ones that look like running tight friendly, but certainly are not. A quick lower half strip tease in the woods removed them and commando running was totally fine.
Approaching home I realised the run was going to be closer to 19 miles, so took a loop to extend it to 20m in 2hr 39 mins (at least that what the watch said) However Sportstracks lowered that to 19.88 miles A good progressive run with 5m split pace of 8.21 / 8.09 / 7.55 / 7.37.
If I am working on sub 3 as a target (6.52 M Pace) are LSRs @ 8.01 pace to fast?
Would love a bath. When I got home my wife was tearing her hair out with my youngest who has hit the terrible 2s. I've just spent 2 hrs in the garden and at the playground. Bob the Builder is currently carmly the situation temporarily
OGL - getting outside is still basically impossible here eh ! I hear it's due to get cold again mid next week too. Great effort in your garage today. I did a hills session at the gym. Fun, fun
Keir - presumably you've tried mentally breaking it up into chunks. I do 2 and a half minutes then have a mini reward of a sip of water (how totally tragic is that ??!!). Even more tragically I now know 30 seconds is about 42 steps so seem to spend the whole time counting under my breat. Have you seen the Running for Fitness website ? Lots of good calculators on there for converting speeds and stuff
Sue - keep the faith. Presumably you're doing loads of core strength work ??
Speedy - how was the (not a) race ?
Badbark - will your hol have lots of days travelling ? In some ways if you're in one site with whole days available it might work in your favour. I was away about 4 weeks before Loch Ness - hardest bit was finding somewhere appropriate to train. Presumably climate there'll be a challenge too
Jane - indeed - crowd support is not exactly a feature at LN ! Have to say the tranqulity when running suited me just fine though
Keep it up everyone !
hello everyone and welcome to fellow newbies to this thread...
really enjoying this forum, with its varied training ideas and different goals for 2011.
Quite like the banter too, no offence Speedy but i bet you ran quicker than you originally wanted to!
Supposed to run a10k race this morning but because of ice on the course they reduced it to a 5mile, still a bit
slippery so no fast times...warm down by doing 7.58 av 6 mile afterwards.
MsE - We've got three German Shepherds. One of them would happily run along with me but of the others one is a too old and rickety and one likes playing too much he'd be hopeless. I have to say I'm never quite sure if they like just running along for very long. Maybe works for a few miles but not sure anything long is really what they want out of a walk - seem to prefer snuffling about, chasing things and interacting with other dogs.
If you get a biggish breed like a GSD or lab or retriever don't forget you're not supposed to over walk them til they're one cos it csn mess up their hips. What about a collie ??? Would he be on his own during the day ?
Kier - I'm pleased my children have passed that stage
Sue - I remember you having specific coaching after the SSix; are you continuing for this training or following a generic schedule?
TR - I would agree with training on the flat for a flat marathon. Unfortunately, I live in a hilly area and all my runs involve hills. Sometimes I find this hard in London with the course being so flat.
MsE - I have a lab. She'll be three in January and she is my running companion. She's great company but I don't tend to take her on the roads unless its a short one. She's great on the long off road runs.
Jane/Fraser - I've not done Lochness but have run some of it during a relay team and cycled some of it during a duathlon. I've heard nothing but good reports about the marathon. They do loads of events up there, running and cycling.
Poacher - I went in the hills today and it was grim. The air temperature wasn't too cold but underfoot was a mixture of snow (still up to my thighs in places), ice and water. The coast has been colder than us of late although we did reach -17 last week!
Thanks for the advice people
Keir - good luck with the terrible 2s, been there, done it, got the t-shirt. Twice!
MsE we've always had GSDs, great breed. We#re going to rescue a dog in the new year, I've got my eye on collies or a collie x this time, specifically as I want it to run with me.
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