Sub 3h15

For anyone trying to crack the 3h15 barrier anywhere in the world

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13/12/2010 at 12:10
A sub3:10 toward mine sweaty eyes?
13/12/2010 at 12:15
Feed station! Feed Station! Where ar't you Feed Station?!
13/12/2010 at 12:18
Last 6 miles of the mara: "A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse!"
13/12/2010 at 12:38

Been away since Thursday. I will read back. Promise

Brief, Nightmare journey.

No suitcase, last seen Thursday lunch time
No running, no shoes (in the case)
Arrived home last night, still no suitcase

Today, no running, sat in waiting for suitcase. I can't go out, as my mobile is dead(you know where the charger is), so no running today so far.

Friday and Saturday was good fun for the little one, lots of rides, shows and photos. Eurodisney is 100% capitalist explotation, conmercialism and everything that is wrong with consummerism. If you can accept this, it is great fun.

13/12/2010 at 12:47
Crikey, that's a pain in the arse Scooby. Glad you still managed to enjoy the weekend though.
13/12/2010 at 13:06

Has anyone added, from Henry VIII act 1:  "to climb steep hills requires slow pace at first" - maybe Will liked a few reps while Anne H was making the gruel or roasting a swan for tea.

Neil/Keir - see you at the 10k. Poachette is coming along, fresh from a top 10 in a national inter counties thing last w/e so it's going to be embarassing family smackdown time. 

BOTF - good performances on low miles, I've done very similar but upping the miles to an average in the low 30's worked wonders. You might find you become less injury prone if you can very gradually build things up over a year or so.

11m @ 7.30 banked this morning, good start to the week. Have fun all.

13/12/2010 at 13:11

Well done Poach, good start indeed.

I was meaning to ask you a question BOTF. I'm not sure if you've mentioned this before but I was wondering how the raced HM will affect your 20 mile race the week after. You may do few miles a week but you'll certainly be hammering your legs!

13/12/2010 at 13:14
Sounds like you flew with Iberia, Scooby?
13/12/2010 at 13:28

For all you P&D enthusiasts: 

"Tomorrow, and tomorrow and tomorrow
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day."

Speedy - nice pacing.

Scooby - what a nightmare! Hope it turns up all intact soon. Glad you enjoyed the decadence of EuroDisney.

OGL - definitely not running VLM 2011, or any other spring marathon, but tentatively targetting the autumn. Just building up endurance at the moment, then going to reduce the mileage slightly to bring in some more speed in time for my local 10k at the start of May.

Just a nice and slow 4m recovery run for me this morning.

13/12/2010 at 13:29

Good afternoon ladies and gents!

I didn't even know this was here, which is shocking as I've been running 3:15 marathons for far longer than I'd like (well, okay three of them in succession). Like most of you, I'm aiming to run a bit faster next time. Why is that? What's it all about?

Potted history: RW plan for a sub 3:30, RW plan for a sub 3:15 at Antwerp. A year off then injury immediately after starting P&D led to using the FIRST plan (I think someone asked about that earlier - happy to provide info) for a hoped for 3:05 at Stratford this spring, but faded badly at 20 and ended up with a one minute PB instead - 3:11 Then a vague higher-volume cross-training regime led to another tiny PB at Brussels, but it was a much more evenly paced and happy experience, and yes, even the final 6 miles were actually fun!

Anyway, hope to be able to chip in from time to time, and to pick up tips or provide cautionary tales where necessary. Currently awaiting my next long run to see if a sore glute is going to mean I return to the FIRST schedules again for the spring, or if I can pick up the mileage instead. I do not enjoy cross-training over the winter!

13/12/2010 at 13:39

07.11.10 - SteveC1975 - Regents Park 10K - Around 40 Mins - 40:14 - job done
21.11.10 - AfE - Abbey Dash 10k - sub-39 as a marker/indicator - 38:22 - job done
21.11.10 - BOTF - Brighton 10k - under 40:30 - 40:02 - job done
05.12.10 - GE - Regents Park 10k - sub 38:30 - ?? - job ??
05.12.10 - SteveC1975 - Regents Park 10K - Sub 40 Mins - ?? - job ??
23.01.11- Barry B Gloucester Marathon - Sub 3:15
23.01.11 - AfE - Brass Monkey Half - sub-1:25
23.01.11-  efc-col Four Villages Half Marathon-sub 1.25
05.02.11 - Lorenzo - Thames Trot 50 - Sub 8 hours
13.02.11 - Matchstick Man - Wokingham HM - 1h23m
13.02.11 - SBD - Wokingham HM - 1:24
13.02.11 - BOTF - Wokingham HM - 1:25, but seeing the two entries above...?
20.02.11 - BOTF - Bramley 20 - sub 2:25
06.03.11 - Scooby - Marathon Catalunya - 3:09:59
06.03.11 - MsE - Bath HM - Sub 1.30
06.03.11 - Joolska - Bath HM - tbc...
13.03.11 - Knight RIder - Retford Half Marathon - 1:26.xx
13.03.11 - SBD - MIlton Keynes - 1:24
19.03.11 - Badbark - Larne Half Marathon - Sub 1:30
19.03.11 - Speedy - Stafford HM  - 1.31.59
20.03.11 - FINgers - Reading Half Marathon - Sub 1:26
20.03.11 - Ormeski - Reading Half Marathon - Sub 1:25
20:03.11 - BOTF - Reading HM - 1:25
20.03.11 - SteveC1975 - Brentwood Half Marathon - Sub 1:28
27.03.11 - Keir - Paddock Wood HM - Sub 1:25
10.04.11 - FW - Chris Hoy HM Edinburgh - Sub 1:20
10.04.11 - FINgers - Brighton Marathon - 3:09:59
10.04.11 - Knight Rider - Brighton Marathon - Sub 3.15
10.04.11 - B&B vs MM in the Regency 10k Smackdown! - Sub39.
17.04.11 - Race Jase - VLM - not sure on target just yet, but hopefully I'll be in PB (sub2:39) shape.
17.04.11 - SBD - VLM  - 2:49
17:04.11 - Ant - VLM - 2:54:59
17.04.11 - Joolska - VLM - 2.59.59
17:04:11 - AfE - VLM - 2:59:59
17.04.11 - Lorenzo - VLM - sub 3:10
17:04:11 - BOTF - VLM - 3:10 ish
17.04.11 - kittenkat - VLM 3.10
17.04.11 - Jane326 - VLM 3.10
17.40.11-  efc-col VLM-sub 3.10
17:04:11 - MsE - - VLM  - 3.14.59
17.04.11 - Speedy - VLM  - 3.14.59
17.04.11 - SteveC1975 - VLM  - 3.14.59
17.04.11 - Ormeski - VLM  - sub 3.15
17.04.11 - Pipes VLM sub-3:15
18.04.11 - OsloNeil Boston sub-3:10
01.05.11 - Gul Darr - GEAR 10k - sub 42
02:05:11 - Badbark - Belfast City Marathon -Sub 3:10
08.05.11 - Keir - Essex & Halstead Marathon - Sub 3.15
22.05.11 - B&B - Edinburgh Marathon - 3:09:59
22.05.11 - Jane326 - Edinburgh Marathon 3.10
18.06.11 - Lorenzo - Picnic - sub 4:45
02.10.11 - Jane326 - Loch Ness Marathon 3.10

OsloNeil now added to list - anymore?

13/12/2010 at 13:47

Lorenzo - you nmaking me salvate with talk on Roast Chicken dinners

A.C. -I think running on ice is good for a short while as it makes you appreciate boring tarmac when it melts.

Luna man - welcome to the thread. Have you got an “A” race lined up for next year to aim for. With your sub 3.15 credatials I'm sure you'll have some good input to throw at us. We do talk about running sometimes too!

jane326 wrote (see)
KR - hear hear! Your a better man that me if you can drag youself out on a Sunday night at 8pm. Impressive stuff!
I know you are a woman Jane as I met you last week at Birmingham! Rest for me today too Jane as my wife has a night school on a monday night, which should give me time to work on that 16 week plan!
13/12/2010 at 13:51
Welcome to LunaMan and thanks for the potted history. What do you think has worked well for you in the past and what do you think you need to change to go quicker? I too was aiming at 3h05 this spring just gone at London but only got as far as 3h12.
Be interested to hear your thoughts and SteveC would love to hear about your success on the FIRST schedule I'm sure
13/12/2010 at 14:14

Still reading, only a few hundred left to go.

Voted for KR

Ant AirFrance was the airline of choice, not being racist but.... customer service was not the best.

Very short version of first day..
Left Liverpool 7am, arrived Manchester airport 1230
Left Manchester 1800hrs, arrived hotel EuroDisney 0030hrs. All in a fun day

It did get better, but tiredness was a major factor.

13/12/2010 at 14:26

Nightmare stuff Scooby, 7.5hrs for Liverpool to Manc , you could have run it quicker. The only slower way to do it would be to swim it along the Ship Canal (it takes 16hrs 39min apparently)
http://www.manchestershipcanalswim.co.uk/diary.htm - a great feat of endurance this.

13/12/2010 at 14:36

Thanks for the welcomes! Well I'm in VLM with a V40 GFA  - blimey that's a mouthful. I was hoping that would be a sub 3 attempt, but this glute thing has put paid to the extra padding of winter 20 milers I was planning, so I dunno yet. I'd definitely be cross with slower than 3:05 though. 

What worked in the past? In the spring I had speed from the Furman schedules but didn't do anywhere near enough cross-training. In the autumn I'd bagged miles of cycling and think the extra endurance showed as I didn't fade at all, but then I didn't have the speed, grrr. In an ideal world I'd try out the P&D schedules, with more MP miles and 1 or 2 cross training days in place of easy runs.
Or . . . go all-out Furman / FIRSTing (that just sounds so wrong), but I think that's better suited to summer training. I can't swim and only like the outdoor bike. Oh dear I'm all a dither!

The other thing that worked in the autumn was returning to running a 23-24 miler at slow pace - time on feet kind of thing. That was missing in the faster spring running, and I'm sure it helps.

It feels like there's still a lot to learn - Brussels was my 7th marathon and I overfuelled, with interesting results

13/12/2010 at 14:52
Hi Scooby - make sure you get some airline compensation for the lack of case
the last time BA lost my ski kit over xmas i went shopping for a grands worth of north face new kit and they picked up the tab

Hi luna man ... i am i being naive asking what hapens when you overfuel?
13/12/2010 at 15:00
Well Jane. I'm guessing it forced its way out of one end or the other!
13/12/2010 at 15:04
oh yes, let's just say the spectators on that particular tram to Tervuren saw more of me than I, or they, would have liked.
13/12/2010 at 15:05
oh right - yes - with you now
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