For anyone trying to crack the 3h15 barrier anywhere in the world
KK - That sounds like a good idea, what with Xmas post and the probability of Royal Mail losing it with the extra workload.
BarryB / Ormeski - I never take drinks on my runs either, no matter what the length. I think it's McMillan that says you should always take drinks and electrolytes to prevent dehydration. I intend to do this when my campaign gets going and was looking at some tablet elecs on t'internet the other day. Might get some. McMillan (I think) also says that no carbs on a LSR is a good thing if it's run SLOWLY (Edit: because it encourages the body to burn fat for energy). However, if you plan to do a progressive run or up the pace to MP to finish quicker, you should feed up much like a race scenario. I think this is much like MM says, to protect the body and make sure it's not under undue stress in training.
Ormeski - The only time i've run over 3 hours in training was the 23miles unfuelled last week and no liquid/gels taken, but I made sure I drank plenty of water during the day before the run. Carrying water/drink etc is something I've never done and on long/slow runs i've not found it a problem. I do a lot of my long runs during the summer early doors so due to it being cool it's not an issue for me and most runs at the mo are in the cold so again I've had no concerns.
Just to put RJ's mind at rest, I received my Champs entry form yesterday Now I just need to post the beggar.
On the LSR fuelling front, I'm not too fussed about gels and will happily do an 18 miler without fuel. Tend to take something, even if just a few jelly sweets or diluted fruit juice, for anything over that. Can't do without water, but in fairness a long-term side effect of an illness I had as a kid is a dry mouth, so I like to sip water frequently to alleviate that.
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I ended up running 6 miles in 38:47 including a slower first ½ mile so averaged 6:27. This was at 5am on an empty stomach. It’s certainly not a typical run for week 1 of a 20 week marathon plan!
Gel wise, I go for the SIS gels as they are easier to digest. I've had some chunder experiences with others! I normally only take gels intraiing when I'm doing 18+ miles - proper distances!
B&B - A good 10 miler at nearly PMP. It just shows that you know what your pace feels like without any gadgets to tell you. I think everyone should experience a perceived run to see the results.
KR - Yeah, it would have been nice if it'd turned out to be 7:15mm but It felt very comfortable and I thought I was running somewhere around 7:40's so I was very happy with it.
MsE - I thought I'd have a look out of interest so here's the link to the VLM championship entries.
Whilst training for your championship place MsE, I assume you know about GFA
welcome Lunaman, DM,
great running going on already, if nothing else you lot are going to keep me motivated in the next few months...badbark 6.27 pace at 5am amazing!
Ormeski, sis gels for me too on long runs.
I used to carry fluid with me (bottle lucozade) but i now know the routes that gives me 18-20-22mile runs...I now i hide a bottle about the halfway point, saves carrying it as I'am always wondering if it may alter stride,balance etc and can lead to injury! or so i have read somewhere.
thanks for all the welcomes!
1974 was indeed a good year!
paris this year was a pb for me of 3h27. obviously looking to take quiet a chunk off that to get into the sub 3h15 bracket but i think that with dedication to my training and nutrition it is achievable. i will certainly give it a good crack that is for sure.
i'll be following the rw3h15 schedule on here which is already imported into my garmin ready for the off on 20/12. currently i am following a maintenance schedule that sees me doing on average 60km a week.
@kr - the paris thread is full of lists it just hasn't been posted for a while!
Ormeski - I've always used SIS gels. Experimented with various fluids and have settled on just water - carried on one of those Nathan belt thingies. I'm using gels less and less but to be fair haven't gone above 16 miles since last mara. I 'm planning to try to get less dependent on them but still aim to use them occasionally so if I need them in a race I'm not going to feel funny. Tried camelbak but didn't like having a bigthing on my back.
Thanks for the shoes comments - think I might dabble with something a bit lighter next year
Managed to get outside for the first proper blast in the fresh air for a couple of weeks. 16 along the waterfront in exactly 2 hours.
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