For anyone trying to crack the 3h15 barrier anywhere in the world
moof wrote (see)
Rest easy PMJ. Were you planing on wearing the new adidas shoes for VLM? I'm still unsure whether to wear my adidas tempos or go for something more cushioning.
PMJ - hope the foot recovers - there are a set of tendons which run across the top of the foot and attach to the instep there, and they can get bruised & sore. They attach to the muscle that runs down the front of your shin, which is not an area that is easy to isolate for strenght work - I have had similar pain at times, but was told that the tendons there are tougher than the bone they attach to, therefore they are very difficult to cause lasting damage to. Bloody sore though.
I'm still in awe of you doing a 21 miler after such a massive run at Wokingham. That has been nearly my total mileage since the race! You're in a completely differnt league to me, I know, but I reckon that might have been pushing the envelope.
Poacher - sympathy regarding the fasting. I had a few days of the same when I was ill last week, but sadly all the weight I lost has now gone back on. I seem to have stabilised now at around 11st 4lb, which is the same as last year. Those 4lb are proving very stubborn.
Not sure what to do this weekend. I did 10 miles on Wednesday at 8:15 pace and to be honest I don't think I could have gone any faster. I think the speed session the night before after 12 days off didn't help, and my legs were very sore. Then I mised my run yesterday as my 35 minute commute turned into 2:40, and by the time I got home it was too late to go to the club so I decided to just have an easy night. So this weeked I had been thinking about doing somewhere around 21 miles - 3.5 to a meeting point, then 14 with club mates and 3.5 back home. Given the state of my legs however I'm not sure if this is a good idea. I'm still not back to 100% after illness, so may be that's a bit too much. I think I'll decide on the day - if necessary I can cut it down to as short as 14.
PMJ - you've been training and racing very hard so give yourself a proper rest. Is the pain in the big triangular ligament that runs from the lower part of your lateral malleolus (the sticky out bit on the end of the fibula) and running down to the oputside border of the foot ? I suspect you've just done a bit too much training on tired legs and biomechanics have thrown the foot into poorly controlled over pronation by a degree or two which has been enough to stir up some swelling in that ligament. RICE it and ease properly back and I'm sure it'll be fine
Be sensible BOTF - try to have a route planned with an exit strategy if neede. I have to say 21 sounds a bit too much given the week you've had
Windy sesson on the track for me which felt like hard work. Plan was 3 warm up then 6 miles run as 0.75 miles @ HMP, 0.25 miles easy continuously. HMP bit scame out just under 6.00 pace but fwelt like really pretty hard work. Didn't help that my garmin battery had died and I was having to time myself using phone stopwatch aiming for just under 4 min 30 for 1200m so all a tad inaccurate. Out for dinner tonight so hopefully we'll be getting a good stuffing - fnarr fnarr
I couldn't be bothered with another crack at sub 3:15 in VLM this year so I decided to have a go at the inaugural Milton Keynes marathon on April 29th.
There's too many pages to wade back through, is anyone else giving it a go?
Fraser Wells wrote (see)
Plenty of speedy reps being produced this week,
SJ try vodka have a blinder at Blackpool.
PMJ agree with Fraser you have been training and racing hard, eventually something happens to remind us that where human and gives us a warning, a few days off will do you good.
Alun not running MK but good luck.
A few lighter days for me as i have a club road race on Sunday, a 5m hilly event so i plan to extend the run into 16m LSR.
good luck to all racing and long runners this weekend.
PMJ good news on your foot.
Welcome, Alun. Enjoy the concrete cows
Slokey: a smoothie bar in town does a nice beetroot drink with ginger in it so perhaps blitz the two together? I think it might also have lime juice.
Ashton Court parkrun for me this morning as part of a 12-miler. PB for the rather testing course is just outside 21 mins and I ended up with 21.03 according to the Garmin. You've got to love a course where your splits are about 11.30 and 9.30 (mile splits were 7.38, 7.04, 5.48 and then about 5.45-ish for the last bit) It certainly blew the cobwebs away and reminded me of the lung-busting pain for attempting 5k pace uphill!
Lorenzo, advice seems to be to do at least one 20 miler in the shoes you intend to run the marathon in. You don't want any mind games on the day. Nice early one but I find it hard to see how in a day as busy as today you manage to post here as well!
It is sad to see old races such as Nottingham marathon being cancelled but it is all down to commercial reasons. We are very much a minority: the majority of people in a race are social or casual runners. Last Sunday at Wokingham, there were 2192 finishers and the person 50% down (1096th) was 1:46. I'm not trying to a line between serious and social runners as there isn't such, but a lot of those people have different expectations from a race to us (well at least me).
For me, I want an accurate course on a fair and flat surface with good timing and inclusion in po10. I have no desire for a commemorative medal nor a technical t-shirt, or a goody bag or mug or whatever else. It seems that there is a vicious circle so organisers have to attract more and more runners to cover their increasing costs (insurance, marketing, police for road closures, port-a-loo etc etc) and so they have to attract a wider audience and then they need to put in big prizes to get highlight runners and then club athletes seem to get left out somewhere along the lines.
Nice session Fraser.
BOTF - Go for the full 21 if you can. If it feels too hard at the beginning then bail at 14. You may find yourself well rested and raring to go.
Don't be doing anything daft like rushing back too quickly PMJ. Bigger picture and all.
Nice run Gul. That is one of my favourites. Good for pace control but also good for the hard finish. Excellent final mile!!!
Welcome Alun. Not doing MK I'm afraid. Good luck.
Nice parkrunning Jules. Sounds like a horrible first half.
Well done on the early 20 miler Lorenzo. Enjoy the rugger.
20.25 miles for me this morning in 2.37 at 7.47 pace. All felt very easy and was holding back all the way round. Was always going to be an easy paced run after a couple of harder long runs over the last couple of weekends. Felt as though I could quite easily have done another 6 miles on top. All looking good for a pootle around London in two months . After a massive breakfast bap at the local farmers market, food shooping and shower it's off to watch Leiceter Tigers and then back for England v Wales on Sky+.
Good luck to everyone running and racing this weekend.
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