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28/10/2012 at 22:36
Jovi doesn't run on empties. Just the odd glass or two

What's it say Ikle?

RW can be online. Allegedly.
28/10/2012 at 22:42
It says its good to build up to build up to doing one increasingly long run a week without fuelling first because it 'helps your muscles adapt to burning more fat and boosts your body's capacity for stored carbohydrate' it then gives proposed plan for doing this.

I'm enjoying being on holiday in a rainy place in Wales with my family having time to read and reread magazines! 6 mile run 4 me 2moro
28/10/2012 at 22:55
Excellent ...
28/10/2012 at 23:26
Which month is that one Ikle?

The new December one I think is the one with the story about women running better on beer the night before a race. So the other "running on empty" article

Enjoy the break.
29/10/2012 at 06:14

Up at silly o'clock this morning for prebooked sports massage before work.  Legs feel good today - at a push I think I could manage a recovery run but the head cold seems to be back so being good and not going to take my run kit to work.  Pic form the finish yesterday - thankfully I dont look as bad as I was feeling

If anyone get Womens Running magazine I might be in the next adition.  Got asked some questions about the injuries and whether any more propensity to injury if you run more road than off road running. Also had to supply a picture - fame at last - not!

Edited: 29/10/2012 at 06:18
29/10/2012 at 06:45
Yeah same month, FRC. I'm awake early because I forgot to turn off my work early o' clock. D'oh! Might go for a 'run on empty' in a bit... while everyone else is still asleep!
29/10/2012 at 08:48

your holiday sounds heavenly Ikle.

29/10/2012 at 08:49

Just off for another experimental run. Fingers crossed. Will aim for 40 mins this time.  Have Gosport half in three weeks and I haven't run for three weeks ...

Edited: 29/10/2012 at 08:49
29/10/2012 at 08:52
It is, AH! Just realised I missed out intrinsic word 'alarm' from my earlier post...
29/10/2012 at 11:18

Great running and a lovely 5K report thanks always interesting to read others race reports and how they cope with them physically and mentally............. had a nice 7.55 mile seriously hilly cross country run yesterday early am and didn't tell the daughter that the clocks had gone back until we got back at 8.15 which was actually 7.15, revenge is best served cold!!! She had nicked my running jacket and gloves on Friday.......... Off to rainy Lake District on Wednesday 35 mm of rain forecast, staying in a pod.....going to run up a few mountains, while might walk up and run down.....and try out the Wasdale Head Inn for a bit of refuelling. I cant drink beer due to coeliac condition but like a cider but this year with all the extra running I have been doing I have hardly drunk more than three or four pints all year and dont really miss it and defo gone quicker this year. You ladies need a beer though as per the RW article, you will go quicker!!!! Dont really think the study in the article was big enough to say that is true for defo....but if you like a beer I guess go for it.....I reckon most middle of the pack runners drink less than average folk anyway. Time for a nespresso did they mention coffee in that article

29/10/2012 at 11:18

Hope the run went well AH.

Ikle, I read the article. RW is a bit of a dogs breakfast as magazines go though. confusing.

main article on cover - how to run on beer the night before.

2nd article how to run on fish & chips

3rd article how to run on empty/ no carbs occasionally.

Confusing! I've done the running on empty or a gym session occasionally, maybe good for fat burning but if you have a program to follow, bit pointless, you won't be able to run as well as normal (they're suggesting a 10 hour fast, and more than 1 hour run). I've been border line hypoglaemic so not a good state for me to push too much either.


29/10/2012 at 11:19

Enjoy mcs, I'm in the Lakes on Sunday, for similar, afternoon tea, nice food, R&R for a few days. A little run Sunday first though.

29/10/2012 at 11:29

Agree FRC the mag is a touch crazy bought the mag as a pressie last year prefer some of the other running mags....Fell Runners and Running Fitness. Almost too much advice out there these to stop reading it all just enjoy your running....

29/10/2012 at 11:35

Outdoor fitness is a really good read and lots about climbing, triathlon, biking, endurance, much wider range of stuff. RW just is the same old articles.

Nice pic Jovi. I'm off for a sports massage too. Enjoy. or not.

29/10/2012 at 11:58
Bum. Run lovely. All bodyparts supersonic EXCEPT for left knee after 4 miles. Moop. I'm not really sure what's left 2 try...
29/10/2012 at 12:13
You say that FRC but I've been reading it for years and never noticed repeating articles. Maybe I'm just not that bothered. I just like reading it cos it makes me all excited about running! mind you, I'll probably have take up bowles or stamp collecting now...
29/10/2012 at 13:13

Running on empty? 

I have, in the past, done some great early morning runs up to 8 miles on empty so there must be some truth in it.

Is Fleet open for entries yet? 

Edited: 29/10/2012 at 13:17
29/10/2012 at 14:46

I usually do a couple of my long runs during a marathon build up without any gels, only water, but I will have had a decent breakfast beforehand. I think there's probably a pay off between being empty and therefore not being able to put as much into the workout as usual and therefore perhaps not getting as good a training effect... while on the other side you're perhaps teaching your muscles to speed up capilarisation and mitochondria manufacture.  I've always understood that it's an ok thing to do but not too often because it's stressful on the body and therefore takes more out of it...and therefore you need more recovery. Swings and roundabouts.  I wouldn't do it with a 10 hour fast or anything though. That sounds a bit more extreme.

In other news, I ran.  Knee alright now but was a bit sore post-run.  Aim to try again tomorrow. I've a lot to catch up on.


29/10/2012 at 14:47

I have done some good runs on empty up to about 9 or 10 miles but being of a lean disposition I am starving hungry by then and need to run home for a large breakfast. Did a nice cross country on Sunday on getting out of bed early but was flip starving by the time I got home after 7.5 miles of very hilly cross country. The first mile and a half is uphill over 600 feet I think on to Longstone Edge then down a bit up some more and down down down a very rough puddle strewn track, great fun but needed some fuel by the time I got home again........
Have you tried the old blue rolller on the hips and hammies then the knees can sometimes be related IM. I have dodgey knees and hammies and find the blue roller thingy helps me keep running okay. Been 18 months and fit still so happy.... Need to see a smiley face in your box not a one.....

29/10/2012 at 20:45
I roller and single leg squat my ... knees off. To no avail.
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