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25/03/2013 at 12:24

I think my energy drink straight after helped too.

25/03/2013 at 13:14

I've been doing a little bit of investigating about the free food for Brighton. They are giving out Clif shots and Clif gels along the way for 'fuel,' water will be in those little water pouches and they have gatorade as their sports drink.

For those that care the water pouches are sulphite free, hooray! I'm allergic to sulphites so have to carry my own water if the event are handing out bottled water with them in. I can't wait to run without my camelpak

Ikle - I always take a Clif energy bar on my long runs, choc chip flavour. I seem to be getting through without any kind of wall hitting so I guess they are doing the job. I have a whole box of them if you would like to try one!  

25/03/2013 at 13:23

While I'm at it - anyone have experience running with a marathon pacer? I know I run faster with other people and I'm not so great at setting my own pace, so I am thinking it might be a good idea..  

25/03/2013 at 13:39

I much prefer the idea of a bar.

25/03/2013 at 13:39
ACoops I use cliff blok shots, about 1 cube every 3-4 miles, 9 g of carbs. I don't use their gels. Most full gels are 27-35g of carbs... I find them too much so prefer to have the bloks.

Be careful if mixing any of those with Gatorade .. A visit from the Gingerbread man may result. Or a visit to the toilet for those more innocent.
Edited: 25/03/2013 at 13:51
25/03/2013 at 14:29

ACoops I think pacers are sometimes fab and sometimes not.  I think you'll be ok at Brighton. I might do it, too.  There was talk of a friend being a sub4 pacer there, but its def not happening which is a shame.

In Paris I started in front of the sub 4 pacers (two groups) yet both groups came charging past me at half way, going really fast.  I let them go but caught one group, then another at 20 miles and it was a real relief to mentally hand over to them the calculations and thinking about pace, KM/Miles etc.  But then they stopped en masse for drinks at 23 so I pushed on.  They did all get over the line below 4 hours (which is more than I did) but their pace did seem to accelerate/decelerate a bit which I'd find a nightmare on a flat course.

Cracking splits, Ikle

25/03/2013 at 19:56
Thanks AH. Order of info slightly confusing in the cut n paste. Sorry. Fuelling is confusing too. Too many options. I think I'll stick with jelly beans and have lots more. This evening i shall mainly be doing NOTHING!
25/03/2013 at 21:18
Right folks, I am back.
Question, have I got time to prepare for milton keynes in 6 weeks. Longest run wad ladt sunday, 15 miles. I am def 1/2 marathon fit, the reason I have left it so late before deciding is I thought the race would be full by now, looks like there are places left....
25/03/2013 at 22:14

IB I use Torq gels in races. Have had various others (SIS, HI5, Lucozade, anything people drop unopened from their gel belts for the backofthepack crowd to feast on!) but like them best. Tried Hammer and gagged! Find easier to hoover down in a race than Clif shot blocks which I use on long runs ("orange waxy cubes! Orange waxy cubes! Orange orange waxy cubes, orange waxy cubes" to the tune of Camptown Races).

Pacers - like AH says it very much depends on the individual ... pacer. If you have someone who's checked out the course and paces it for even effort to come in 10-20 seconds under then fantastic, but that can be tricky, and anyone can have a funny turn on the day.

25/03/2013 at 22:19

I can't make it fit, Fido! But thanks! Hmmm...

26/03/2013 at 07:25
Les Mis at school this eve... Oh my what an extraordinary performance, so ambitious, brilliant, the singing was knock out... Hugely impressed .
26/03/2013 at 09:15

Sounds great, Susan.  Charlie's old school are doing it next term.  She's helping out and is jealous.

 

26/03/2013 at 11:59

Just done 10 Yasso 800s.  That's my last really tough session done. Legs are mashed!

ACoops - look out for a package. Think I sent it first class so should be with you soon.

 

26/03/2013 at 12:07

what were your 800 times Artful Hen? Do you reckon they're predictive of your marathon finish time? I personally find them a bit optimistic, e.g. I could do 10x 800s in 3:30 each easier than I could run a 3:30 marathon. But perhaps that's just me.

26/03/2013 at 13:38
Ikle, only problem with the sport beans , same as jelly babies maybe, you're going to need to carry lots of them.

Think the sports beans are 27g carb per bag. So you might need 2-3 bags? Messy to carry if bag splits and time consuming remembering to have them.

You might not need much to run but if you hit 18-20 miles and start to fade, something more concentrated might revive you.

Not too late to try something on a medium run or go for a long walk with Basey 90-120 mins then do a medium 10-12 miles, try something instead of the beans.

Scott MK full marathon you mean?

Susan sounds good.

Ginger. I don't find yassos any use. I'm not going to be running a 2:45 marathon any time soon. Just treat them as 1/4m intervals usually to help push harder at 1/2 and full mile time.

I'm stuck on a training course. Lovely restaurant food every day. Must resist.
Edited: 26/03/2013 at 13:40
26/03/2013 at 13:46
Yes, was on about mk marathon, but I am already doing lichfield half day before, so not doing marathon...
26/03/2013 at 14:12

My yassoes were 4:00 obviously. Made a nice change from long slow running, and quite easy to sustain, but yes, don't really feel it has much of an indication for a sub four marathon! B word. =)

26/03/2013 at 15:59

Ginger - I will tell you after 14th April!  No idea if they are predictive but it's a good, progressive session that's going to help raise lactate threshold and speed endurance. What's not to like ?  My 800s were done in 3.40 - no chance of me doing a 3.40 marathon though.

Edited: 26/03/2013 at 16:00
26/03/2013 at 16:06

What's not to ikle?

26/03/2013 at 18:24

sounds tough AH - well done.  you are iron hen - am having second rest day after my 16 sunday just because of late night last night and general coldness and two really heavy days at work - how rubbish am I ?  ha ha.. will run tomorrow - promise.

 

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