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The Evil Pixie pirate

pirate

11/11/2004 at 10:36

errr no!

Ultracat

11/11/2004 at 10:50

I can't run 20 miles comfortably at the moment either, I could run/walk it but not sure about the continuous steady running for 20 miles. I think you need to build up to it gradually and you can work on both speed and endurance. If you have a good endurance base then speedwork will be less stressful on the body.

Did 4 miles this morning and was slow but steady and tried a new route.

The Evil Pixie pirate

pirate

11/11/2004 at 10:52

I could walk it - I did the moonwalk having not run for more than 30mins walk/run (injured) in 4 months and with just 1 5.5m long walk!
Did that in 7hrs 43 so I guess I do have endurance

SHADES

11/11/2004 at 11:09

I agree Jane, though I'm sure you could do 20 miles if you were going slower than marathon pace. (not that long since LNM)

sorry Pix - I'll shut up now, I think we do not agree on the meaning of endurance!
I wish you luck with your training plan.

Josie Jump.

11/11/2004 at 11:09

One speedy session a week won't hurt.

It is very easy to 'cruise' one's training runs. Thats why I use my HR monitor, not just to tell me I'm working too hard but also when I'm not working hard enough :-)

Rest day for me as my sinus's are playing up. Still on for a 22 mile week tho. I hope to build to 30 soon.

Plodding Hippo

11/11/2004 at 12:03

hm
I agree with shades on this one
i can run 18 miles now
It aint comfortable
Not yet

Do Do

11/11/2004 at 13:03

The very idea of having "run 18 miles" and "comfortable" in the same sentence - ahhh I can but dream!!

Do Do

11/11/2004 at 13:05

Off now to have my first run since Dublin - didn't run in Paris as I was sure that I would get killed by passing traffic.

Two weeks of indolence - very naughty

SHADES

11/11/2004 at 14:53

Hi Do Do - how are you? Hope you had a lovely time, I wondered where you were.

The word 'comfortable' I use loosely! but perhaps 1 to 2 mins slower than your marathon pace (that's MP now, not hoped for)

Ultracat

11/11/2004 at 15:13

Shades I am sure you are right, I guess if you want to run in lots of short and faster races then shorter and faster training sessions are what are needed but if your main goal is to comfortably complete a marathon then building up endurance needs to be the core of your training week. If you can do both longer runs and speedwork then thats okay but if you are struggling to do both then a decision needs to be made about what is more important to your own self.

The Evil Pixie pirate

pirate

11/11/2004 at 15:17

156 days to go!
Plenty of time!
Lets just enjoy the training!

Plodding Hippo

11/11/2004 at 15:22

156!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ultracat

11/11/2004 at 15:35

EP I am still waiting to hear if I got into London. I will do Lochaber if I don't, so that will be 163 days to then.

debbo

pirate

11/11/2004 at 16:10

Pix, sorry, but I agree with Shades on this one too. It is a hard decision to make though isn't it, because doing the speed stuff makes you feel like you are really working and means you can do a bit better in the shorter races. It is so important though to be able to do the endurance. I could comfortably run 20 miles tomorrow at 11.30-12 minute mile pace, but I can't get my 10k time back down to where it used to be. I have sacrificed the speed for the endurance and I'm sure it's worth it in the long run.

Jane - I'm sure you could run 20 miles tomorrow too (apart from being tired from Sunday!).

M...eldy

pirate

11/11/2004 at 16:15

4 miles this afternoon and the comeback trail!!
If I dont get into London .. my marathon of choice is going to be Halstead, in fact I may enter today in celebration of the fact that the Dr said my leg does not have to be amputated from the neck down :-)

SHADES

11/11/2004 at 16:41

Good news Imelda, celebrate with a marathon entry!

SHADES

11/11/2004 at 16:48

I remember seeing on one of the Mike Gratton training threads - MG said you have to become a slow runner before you will ever become a fast runner. What he meant was that you build a base of long slow miles then you work on the speed.
I'm sure I saw somebody quote Lydiard (I think) that all his 1500/3000m runners would be expected to be able to run a marathon off their normal training.

I coach all my girls at a slow aerobic pace with occasional hill reps/fartlek/tempo intervals (but never more than 10 minutes of any session is speedwork)and never so hard that they feel tired the next day. They are all doing great PB's, just had one knock 8 mins off her half marathon time.

M...eldy

pirate

11/11/2004 at 17:00

Marathon entered ..

I'll be b*ggered if I get accepted for London as well :-)

Ultracat

11/11/2004 at 19:01

Do both Imelda :))

M...eldy

pirate

11/11/2004 at 19:03

<<snigger>>

<<wibble>>