Hi Normski, I gonna put a message on the sub 4 thread re my transfer to here. All I know is that the more miles I do the slower I get, so 9 mins miles are not really gonna happen for 26.2 miles. Plus having looked at the training to do that, 5/6 days a week well I'm not gonna have the time or the energy to do that. Also as it's my first marathon I don't want to put undue pressure on myself. All I wanna do is get round and feel good on the day, a sub 4.30 would be a bonus.