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25/03/2013 at 10:03

Morning all,

Taper, taper, taper 

Well done to everyone for their long runs.  Some good stuff going on!

(((Denise))) well done for struggling on with your run.

Hi Dudey and welcome to the thread!  I'm doing Brighton too and it's a great choice for your first marathon as there's fantastic crowd support.  I didn't do Hastings or TWells this year but I know the courses well so you did good times as they are quite challenging.  Make sure you take a really good taper and try not to get panicked into training too hard in the next 3 weeks - less is more and you need to feel as if you can't wait to run when you're at the start line 

Fenn, take care of that knee.  Do you take ibuprofen to help reduce the swelling?  Or rub in Ibuleve gel?

Pepe, sorry but I had a chuckle about your ankle deep mud as that's exactly what it's like here!  I haven't run off-road at all this winter as everywhere is just too water-logged.

25/03/2013 at 10:20

Hi Dudley... well done on your 20miler and excellent fund raising achievement. Last time I had to raise £1000 k for charity... I think thats sometimes harder than the running

Red.... Oh Ibuleve gel... havent heard of that one..may have to invest. I have been using Ibruprofen, have a knee support and have started to use Glucosamine gel (holland and barrats) which is natural cartilage components and has a knee on the side of the packet so must be good right?

Big eater, my knee hurts on the inside too. can you feel a click when you extend your leg?

Brighton runners... enjoy the start of taper....

Last long run for me will be bank holiday Monday...20miler... 


25/03/2013 at 11:38

Well done everyone, great effort on your long runs through this lovely spring weather we're having...

Fenn- I'm glad your run was much better, I'm sure the running clothes had something to do with it Did you do it slower than usual, as planned? 

I did Hastings Half Marathon. I wasn't planning on racing it as was still worried about my knee and didn't want to push it, but my Dad, Sister and BF were doing it so thought I would go for the day out and get a training run in. Set off with my BF (his 1st ever half), at a nice comfortable 9.30- 10 min/mile pace. The first 5-7 miles are up hill, so we took it easy at that pace and when we got half way my knee felt fine, so pushed the second half and finished in 1.57. Quite pleased I was able to pick up my pace on tired legs; last 3 miles were 8min/miles! I have to say half marathons are much more enjoyable when you go slower and enjoy the atmosphere; although I'll never beat my PB if I carry on like that!!!

Enjoy your tapers everyone, you deserve it after all the hard work you've put in!!! 

25/03/2013 at 11:59

Good time Jess, in fact great if you consider the conditions! must be nice to have a 'crew' to run with makes the day more fun.

Ok... so I started really really slow... and kept telling myself to go slow...through the first half of run... and for most part felt like I was taking it easy.. But actually was faster than last week... so in that sense I failed... but I prefer to focus on the positives and sweep the bad things under the carpet...but yes Jess I must try harder.

Do feel way better today though tried gels for the first time, which Im sure had something to do with it! Last week did Jelly babies...

For a 3 hour run, how many gels I took 1 this time (HI Five Iso gel)  (I had 2 but really didnt like one of the flavours). On the packet they say 3 an hour! I think this is excessive...


25/03/2013 at 13:39

Hi all, just found this thread! I'm running VLM this year, it'll be my first marathon. Done a few halves, PB 1:56:51 so I'm hoping to manage around 4h30. Did my longest run at Finchley 20 last weekend. I've been following Hal Higdon Novice 2 reasonably closely. Been getting the long runs in religiously and the week runs when I can fit them in, and parkrun. 10 miles in the snow on Saturday was without a doubt the hardest run I've ever done! Couldn't feel my face... Looking forward to joining in the thread.

25/03/2013 at 13:54

Fenn - couldnt agree more with the amount of Gel these guys reccomend you take - it's incredible! 

When I ran London in 2010 more through naivety than anything else, I didnt take a single supplement and managed okay! Therefore I believe that a lot of the advice is a little OTT. 

Well done on the HM time Jess - 8mm?? Phew!!!

Jim - i had a really bad run about 3 weeks ago and literally managed 3 miles, I gave up, at least you kept going and got a double digit run under your belt. 

Dudey you sound like you're right on track despite the chest infection, well done. I listened to a marathon running podcast yesterday where they interviewed a lady called Lisa Smith Batchen who is an ultra runner and she had GREAT advice re injuries and training programs.  the series is the Marathon Training Academy.  The two presnters are very American, but if you can get past that they are super to listen to on a long run - It made an interesting change to music too. 

BigE - Good run - I was jsut the same on Sunday, jumping into an ice (well, cold water bath) when I got home although I cant do 20 mins, my feet hurt in the cold water. 

Enjoy your tapering BM'ers! woo hoo!!!!!! x

25/03/2013 at 14:06
Hi fenn, no I don't click on extending the leg but it's bloody painful especially going upstairs. I say my knee but it's more on side leg a touch below knee height where the leg bends if that makes sense. I couldn't run on it today that's for sure!
Just annoying, never had an issues in that area, always hamstring with me and today everywhere is fine apart from knee.... Typical!
Welcome georginagem, great time for your half and a sub 4.30 is well within you!
25/03/2013 at 14:54

Welcome Georg...just been looking at your programme...can't believe how little programme we have left... soo exciting and scary at the same time very hardcore for going out in the snow...

I am living in London and it was clear or snow, but still managed to slip and fall on my run. Luckily no damage caused. I was taking a bend too sharp!

Denise...what a great idea to download podcasts when running... I think I may have to do that..I listen to the radio mostly!

Bigeater your knee thing sounds very different to mine... have you done any internet self diagnoises? (i know we shouldnt but I do that a lot)


25/03/2013 at 22:36
Welcome George. Thanks Big eater, redhead, Fenn and Denise.

Big eater your knee issues sound similar to mine - I've had to strap both up as when it was just one injured knee the other one over compensated. I've iced it, rested it and strapped both up which seems to work. A friend recommended a sports physio so will let you know how that goes.

Am now tapering, used rest day today and went to the gym in the first time in ages. Now I'm eating mini eggs hmmmmmmm.

Good luck everyone and keep motivated xx
26/03/2013 at 08:39
dudey, ahhh mini eggs they have formed a key part in my training programme too :-0.

Dudey , big eater when you say u have strapped knees up... Have you just done it the traditional way? Or used Kenso tape its meant to be brilliant but looks way too complicated for me to do.needs a proffessional to tape it up i think.

Was meant to run today but was tired/lazy .is that lame? Have no pains or aches but just love my bed....oh just as I was about to submit reply re read end of your message Dudey...'stay motivated'...will gym it this evening (promise to self)

big eater hows knee this morning.
26/03/2013 at 11:13
Fenn- my knee is exactly the same as yesterday... Painful. Just a stretch bandage I have round it to compress it a little and regular ice. I'm just going to rest it for a week, I'm off work this week and other than dropping off or picking up kids I have a good chance of proper rest so will do that. I can walk fine on it, just painful when bending knee or going upstairs.
Don't worry about having a day off, at this stage it will probably do you more good.
26/03/2013 at 11:28

Oh no... well at least you have the long runs in. I will be much easier on self once I get this 20 miler in.

Last time I ran I remember I did no running after my 20miler and just rested with cross training and swimming as taper excercise felt great on the day!

Your week sounds lush! I am taking your advise and taking today off..just agreed to meet some friends for dinner so no gym tonight for me


26/03/2013 at 11:35
Quite right.... Enjoy dinner!!
Yes a week of sod all!! Think that's my problem, because of work and training I just don't get a chance to rest so this week is all about me!! ( just don't tell the wife)
26/03/2013 at 13:08

LOL at you 2!  Rest is definitely on the cards for both of you - enjoy 

Just done a pyramid session with the intervals at 8 min miling.  Never managed that before so feeling very pleased and hoping it isn't a case of pride coming before a fall!

26/03/2013 at 13:40

Rest is the only thing i seem to be really nailing in my training programme!

Well done, thats good work interval work..Im thinking of trying the Yasso x800 thingy for a bit of a change tomorrow... been just working out my pace as will try it on a treadmill!

26/03/2013 at 17:39

just done 10 x Yasso 800s. Flippin' 'ell! with a jog from home to our usual "speedwork" roads, the efforts and then running home it made 11.35 miles, averaging 9:09 pace! The slowest 800m was a "pedestrian" (!!!) 4:04, but the rest were all 7:30-7:35 pace, so theoretically predicting sub 3:50 for a marathon. Not likely!

26/03/2013 at 20:29
Well done red & jim, speedy gonzales's!!!
I've just come in from a steady and pleasant 6.5 miler, but.....I have BLISTERS
I knew that thy were developing on my long run on Sunday but forgot about them until I set off tonight. They're obviously not crippling but Boo to blisters.
Jim how did you overcome yours?
26/03/2013 at 20:38
Good work Jim...and denise...

I put vaseline on my feet and use double layered socks denise. If i feel like a blister is coming on I put tape around my feet where blister is.
26/03/2013 at 21:14
Wow well done red and jim, it must be a speedy week, I took yesterday off then ran a 10k tempo tonight at just under 7min miles! That's over 2 mins off of my PB had it been a race!

Denise, I'm with fenn, good fabric plasters on your toes and blisters you won't notice them!

Big, am keeping everything crossed for you that the rest does it's job. You will be fine I'm sure, I had a horrific preparation for my first marathon and made it around. Last 8 miles were really really tough but the crowd keep you going
26/03/2013 at 21:48

Hi all! Yesterday off and today ran 4 miles from work to meet my housemate for a spinning class. Was on a bike to the side not in instructor's line of vision so I did slack a bit! Not going to get another run in until Friday now, which I'll make a longer one. Fenn and Denise I'm fending off a blister that tried to appear after my 20 miler - end of toe - been using surgical spirit to dry it out. Nice work Jim and andrew!

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