Talkback: ASICS Target 26.2 Team: Craig

Introducing First Timer Craig (aka BoDuke)

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07/02/2012 at 19:09
Needed to feel it for that kind of money!!! If I'm going to bankrupt myself running, it's going to be on gear not a dreadmill...

Totally famished too. Only had a couple of shreaded wheat, few slices of toast and a tin of beans... Got some harrisha chicken and couscous going on tonight. Maybe more beans and toast for dessert...
07/02/2012 at 19:31
I don't get very far at 9.5mph Craig! Well done.

Since the race was aborted on the weekend, I decided I could add a speed session into my program this week. With some trepidation I had another crack at the interval session that caused my injury a couple of weeks back. I started with a very easy warm-up mile, then a mile of "strides" from 6mph to 10mph to loosen up, then eight quarter-mile intervals at 7.5mph (2:00) with 0.15mile (1:45) jog recovery It was very comfortable, with no sign of any pain! Finished with a mile jog.

Had a beef stew afterwards, and an early hot cross bun
07/02/2012 at 19:47
Good work Ten, you really are back on form! Have to love those repeats, and no pain!!!

Yummy beef stew...
07/02/2012 at 20:08
Hi Sam - where is your workshop this week? hope you get a nice hotel with a big roaring fire
08/02/2012 at 11:58

Good session Tenjiso - really glad you've outwitted the injury

I'm just not feeling it this week. The snow is pretty bad here and I am so hopeless at running on ice/snow that I've just stuck to cross-training. Did a one-to-one yoga session this morning which felt great. Really worked on my hip flexors, that have a tendency to tighten up, and then pull my pelvis a bit out of kilter. I have had a real on/off relationship with yoga over the years but when I moved to Rye I found a great teacher and it's been part of my regime for about 18 months now. I find it really helpful and it's a rare (!) occasion that I don't feel competitive or that I need to push myself. I just let my body do what it wants to do. Any other yogis out there?

08/02/2012 at 12:00
Oh, and my marathon workshop is at crystal palace in London... so I'll be driving up the night before and staying at the five star 'My mum's house' down the road in Blackheath! Incidentally, she lives directly beside the first mile marker on the VLM route, if anyone's passing that point and needs a quick pitstop
08/02/2012 at 12:46
Sam - always good to stay at mum's hotel !  I tried pilates but couldn't find a class i was happy with - did a session of yoga once on a mgt training course which was fun and i can see the benefit cos we did a lot of floor stretching exercises.  For this spring mara will stay with my exercise routine which i have worked on a lot but after that may look at something like pilates or yoga again.  At my age, keeping the body supple will help a lot i think - i sometimes get right thigh/hip tightening which leads to pain in knee for a day after so certainly need to strengthen the core, glutes, quads etc to combat that. 
08/02/2012 at 15:22
boy that was a hard session !! hill reps - 3 x 10 mins with 2 min recovery up a 1 min hill so a total of 15 mins hard uphill - 2m w/up and 2m c/dn - fingers nearly fell off inside my gloves coming home - smoothies then peanut butter and jam on toast 
08/02/2012 at 19:26
If anyone is racing Bramley 20/10 this weekend look out for me - marshal at left hand turn after 6.7 miles
08/02/2012 at 21:09
BD, too right dreadmills are a curse, in this country there is never a weather condition that can't be run in. When in Quebec it was -50 with wind chill which was too cold
09/02/2012 at 08:17
I really enjoy training on the treadmill
09/02/2012 at 08:29

Good effort Oscarr.  Just a quickie to say morning all - as still being technologically challenged - I like treadmills too but I also like getting outside - horses for courses!

What you up to today Craig?

09/02/2012 at 09:37
Had late night reporting yesterday, so didn't get back home till half seven. Nice 12 hour day dealing with stuff... Been out for my sheduled 6 miles steady... Now eating far at too much. Slower than intended due to ice and no appropriate shoes... Have to post later.

Deffo horses for courses with treads. Personally not for me, I even struggle with them having gait analysis.... Dont like the feeling of running and not going anywhere. And totally have issues with £35 + per month gyms or fitness studios (with two year I breakable contracts). Had a think about it this morning on the run and remember seeing people doing the same stuff I was expected to do: 10 min on this, 15 on that and another 10 on that and never making much progress.... Frustrating.

Was something that made it worth the £8, sweat, mild passive aggression and all that: really enjoyed being out this morning. Really enjoyed it. Hit of oxygen, movement, rhythm, space, engagement, felt smooth and like I was passing through space and time with effortless ease. Disappointed when finished. Hummm, might be a good way of sparking things up if need to get re-Invigerated.

Good work on the hills session oscarr and nice move marshalling at the weekend. Hope it goes well.
09/02/2012 at 09:45

Oscarr, totally agree. I'd never really enjoyed yoga (more endured it) until this current teacher. It's all about finding someone who you trust and respect and click with. Same as coaches really

Morning Craig, done your 6 miles steady yet? Was thinking about your long run this weekend and our chat about pace and finding it hard to run at a very easy pace (getting a bit mind-numbed!). So I was thinking about throwing in some faster bouts.

My suggestion is 3 miles easy (10.45ish?), 1 mile MP, 4 miles easy, 1 mile MP, 4 miles easy,  final mile at 9.40ish.

How does that sound?

09/02/2012 at 09:46
BoDuke wrote (see)

really enjoyed being out this morning. Really enjoyed it. Hit of oxygen, movement, rhythm, space, engagement, felt smooth and like I was passing through space and time with effortless ease. Disappointed when finished. Hummm, might be a good way of sparking things up if need to get re-Invigerated.

Bo - you should publish some of these quips to enthuse other first timers to take on a marathon !!
09/02/2012 at 09:54
Sam - how did you find your yoga teacher, advert/recommendation/friend ? and do you do it in a class or always one on one?  is it expensive and how often do you do it?  Sorry for all the questions but good to log for the future.
09/02/2012 at 11:02
Just as I've got a quiet 5 minutes: pace this morning was an ave of 9:54, slower than intended, but avoiding slipping on the ice and skipping Bambi like between the sheets (not sure if that's the case, never seen Bambi... I know, how did that happen???)

Sam: I'm taking note of the yoga thing too. Was reading your thinking of the Alexanda technique, but don't think that would have much following here, Cambridge maybe. So yoga is an option after this... I'm liking the sound of the long run, breaking it up a bit file be good. The first MP mile would also be uphill (I call it up hill, but everyone else would see it as a slight incline...) Also got some cycle route maps to try to keep it interesting for the 16/18/20 milers...

Thanks oscarr! I can see why people might not want to do the distance, but the training is as much fun as anything else. Requires motivation and drive, but once your out... Was thinking about the right hander onto the Saine, running towards Notre-Dame, 14/15 miles and feeling strong...
09/02/2012 at 11:13
oscarr wrote (see)
Sam - how did you find your yoga teacher, advert/recommendation/friend ? and do you do it in a class or always one on one?  is it expensive and how often do you do it?  Sorry for all the questions but good to log for the future.


It was through a friend's recommendation. I normally do weekly class (about 10 people) which is £7 but that was my second one-to-one, and you get so much out of the personal attention, that I think it's definitely worth doing every 3-4 weeks... informs what you do in the next class. The cost is £25 for an hour (the class is 90 mins) but it feels quite concentrated.

BoD, well done on getting out there - and pace was only a few secs off 'steady' so nothing to worry about.. I just road-tested some overshoe ice spikes yesterday - review on my website. They instil huge confidence and are mega grippy, but not very comfy .

Btw, you can see if there's an Alexander Technique teacher near you by looking at their website which is www.stat.org.uk

09/02/2012 at 17:07
BoDuke wrote (see)


Thanks oscarr! I can see why people might not want to do the distance, but the training is as much fun as anything else. Requires motivation and drive, but once your out... Was thinking about the right hander onto the Saine, running towards Notre-Dame, 14/15 miles and feeling strong...

Bo - as this is your first one the mental side of it when you are on your feet for over 4 hours will be part of the challenge so great you are starting to develop your own ways to addess this - the visualisation of how you want to feel at points in the Paris race will be good for you.  I think Sam has already posted my favourite running quote which is "pain is inevitable, suffering is optional" and you will hurt in the latter stages and that's when its as much mental as physical so try and develop your own thoughts that will get you to the end (e.g. your wife's smiling face, that glass of red wine, any running mantras you have like "push, push - will get there etc" - they have to be your own personal ones to be of any benefit)
09/02/2012 at 17:09
Sam - thanks for the yoga info.
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