Talkback: ASICS Target 26.2 Team: Emma

Introducing the fifth and final member of our ASICS Target 26.2 team - Emma (aka EmmaC) Emma will be mentored by Sam Murphy on this thread ...

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11/01/2012 at 11:06
Re: weight loss. Best thing I ever bought was an accurate, digital set of scales... Totally nailed portion sizes. But it's so depressing...

Happy anniversary too!
Edited: 11/01/2012 at 11:08
11/01/2012 at 11:29
I actually like the fact that my scales lie to me!
11/01/2012 at 12:15
Mine do too...

Meant kitchen scales. I'm so dumb.
11/01/2012 at 12:37

Ha ha - I see what you mean! Portion size when using scales in the kitchen is a real shocker isn't it!

11/01/2012 at 16:48
I'm glad you clarified what you meant. I was wondering what kind of bathroom scales could tell you what your "portion" sizes were :0
11/01/2012 at 16:57
I do eat quite large portions of food!
11/01/2012 at 18:27
Tenjiso: I know, sounded sooooooo wrong.
11/01/2012 at 20:27
Well done Emma just read through the thread. Sounds god so far. I am doing London and aiming for sub 4 but trying to forget time and enjoy (hopefully) finishing first marathon
11/01/2012 at 21:53

Hi Emma

I will get my email address to you.

Thanks for food diary. I would say your diet is really well meaning and some good stuff in there! But you could replace some foods for example  on day one you had 100calories worth of sugar (5 teaspoons) and there is little nutrient value in this. A  far better use of calories would have been to have  2-3 pieces of small fruit (as your fruit & veg is not as high as it should be perhaps 3 per day and some days perhaps not even this). Aim for over 5 a day and ideally  of different colors (tomatos, yellow peppers, kiwi, apple, orange etc ) but increase this gradually so for a few days increase by one for example add one piece of fruit to breakfast. Then you could replaced your snacks in evening for a yoghurt and chopped up fruit . Increasing fruit (and veg)  would increase fibre, calcium, antioxidants and other minerals in your diet as well as increase carbs for training as opposed to biscuits which are just fat & sugar and often salt! Also the volume of a bowl of fruit and yoghurt should fill you up. If not try some toast  or rice cakes with banana on top? You may find the increase in fruit & veg gradually will be okay before a run unless you have IBS? therefore  we may need to consider type of snacks before run.

One other suggested change for now would also be to use more tomato based sauces on the whole rather than white/ cheese sauces.

Do you drink anything between meals?  .

Perhaps you could try the above couple of changes for the next couple of weeks and then work on a couple more?

In regards gels I would not use them until runs over 90minutes!

11/01/2012 at 22:18

Hi Emma

Glad you enjoyed your run today - the paces were all under the 9-9.15 guideline.. (assuming this was the half marathon pace run an dnot the 10k pace one!?). I'd recommend sticking to the brisk/fast and 'race-based' paces suggested so you don't use up energy unnecessarily that you might then need on the long runs. It's not a case of 'if some is good, more must be better' if you know what I mean. But then again, if it's all feeling OK pace and mileage wise, we could revise the paces altogther? Get you on the sub 4 programme?!

Really good to see Ruth's advice above. I had also thought you might want to up your fruit and veg intake a bit. A great breakfast/snack I was given once - and now make quite often - is a fruity wrap. You warm a tortilla (I just stick it on top of toaster) and then spread it with natural yoghurt, chopped banana and other fruit of your choice (chopped dried apricots, strawberries, kiwi, tangerine segments, chopped apple...), sprinkle on some chopped nuts and seeds and drizzle with honey before folding up and scoffing! As I am not very good at running without breakfast, I was adviced to eat half of this before my long run and the other half on my return. Worked really well. Ooh, quite fancy one now!

Assuming you jiggled Wed and Thurs this week, enjoy a rest day tomorrow.. 

11/01/2012 at 22:43

Hi Ruth - I have fallen off the wagon a bit with my sugary foods. I used to have a family bag of minstrals every other day and then I cut those sort of snacks out of my life. In the summer I had been much better but have got back in to naughty foods over christmas break.

On days that I word I tend to have to grab food on the go - have been trying to have the cottage cheese and rye bread as an alternative to sandwiches because of the wheat which seems to make me all bloaty.

So target 1 - cut out the sugar in tea (don't drink coffee as it requires too much sugar) and cut out the choccy biscuits in the evening. I do like a little treat at school so might have malt loaf as my treat instead of the granola bar.

Next target fruit/veg - I don't have too much fruit as it has a rather unpleasant effect on me and dried fruits are a no no! If I'm not running that evening or after my run I think I will try to have fruit, natural yog and some nuts/seeds as I actually do love this kind of food. Its the faff of making things that I struggle with and I can't have it if I'm running in the morning... will explain more on email! Thanks for the idea Sam - I do get stuck in a rut sometimes and its great to nick other peoples food ideas.

When I'm at home I often make a veggie soup (throw in any veg on the way out at the end of the week to be honest) and that does 2 or 3 meals. Feeling a veg soup being made on friday!

PS which nuts and seeds should I invest in?

Edited: 11/01/2012 at 22:46
11/01/2012 at 22:51

Hi Sam - thanks for the fruit wrap idea sounds great. Perhaps not before a run for me but on a school day great!

I know I was a bit pacey on Tuesday evening - I just kept on thinking about trying to do a sub 2 at Watford and panicking a bit I think! Kept on thinking got to be sub 9 for 2 hours can I do it?! Don't think I would manage sub 4 in a million years - Happy with my plan thank you very much!

I did the strength exercises last night too!

Hubby out playing fottball tonight (Weds) and I have track this Thursday - will be rejigging next week about as have Parents evening. Tomorrow after school I shall collect the little beasties and take them to Jungle gym or swimming or  somethinhg else energetic!

Are you back on top form now? How was the training weekend?

11/01/2012 at 22:57

At thr risk of incurring Ruth's wrath - here is my food diary for today (hopefullynext few days will show a more virtuous diet!):

Breakfast -  Special K and cuppa (2 tsps sug!)

Snack - Go ahead garibaldi biscuits (see fruit!)

Lunch -  Rye bread toasted, cottage cheese (low fat of course), strawberry yoghurt and those dratted granola bars!

Snack - apple

Dinner -  3 bean chilli (from Monday eveining), with basmati rice and some chedder, Earl grey tea (no sug) and a fat free strawberry yoghurt. I did have biscuits yesterday evening but not tonight! Surely that's got to be at least 1/2 a brownie point? Will promise to try a better fruity breakfast - will also report on how tummy is at track in the evening.

12/01/2012 at 08:04

Breakfast today - chopped apple, grapes, low fat strawberry yoghurt, berry and nut sprinkle (from waitrose whole foods range ... been in the cupboard for about 3 years!). At first thought it was a bit odd - but by the end I really enjoyed it!

It took ages to eat too - and at the moment I feel stuffed! Hopefully I will be ok at track tonight and the fruit won't have a nasty effect!

1/2 a cup of tea - no sugar!

12/01/2012 at 09:42
SamMurphyRuns wrote (see)

I know this week's not over yet, but here's what Week 3 is looking like for Emma:

Week Three w/c 9/1/12 approx 29MMon Rest + strength trainingTue 1M jog, 3 x 1M or 1600m at 10K pace (or 8:20) with 400m (or 3-min) jog recoveries, then 1M jogWed RestThu 1M jog, then 4M at Half-Marathon pace (37 mins) then 1M jogFri 5M easy + strength trainingSat 12M slow (approx 2 hrs 10) (off-road would be good)Sun Rest

Tweaks from the main sub 4.15 programme are a longer but slower long run (12 slow instead of 10 steady) and a slightly faster-pace for the 10km-paced miles, based on Emma's abiility (8.20 per mile instead of 8.30.) But 3 miles at 10k pace is quite tough so I've upped the recoveries to 3 minutes from 2, so she doesn't hate me!

Hi Sam

In Emmas plan you have changed Sundays steady run for a long run. I am following the "ultimate RW sub 4 program". All of the long Sunday runs are slow runs. Shouls some of these be slow first half steady (marathon pace) second half or am I following a completely different program?


12/01/2012 at 10:03

Hi Emma

 Wow that was a superhealth breakfast, well done! I am sitting here with a gallon of coffee - gotta do long run today because missed at wkd because of my training workshop (went really well thanks - got some great feedback) and am off to Scotland this weekend to see the in-laws. This is the only day I can do it and boy, do I NOT feel like it! In fact, I was out walking the dog, halfway through a train of thought justifying to myself that I perhaps wouldn't do a long run this week when I bumped into a guy from my Saturday training group and found myself saying 'yeah, got my long run today.' so I HAVE to go now!!

About the paces - not a big problem but just trying not to makeit any harder than it has to be. Try not to panic (9.05 would get you round sub-2, actually)

12/01/2012 at 10:10

Hi Kevster

I think you're following a different plan - I'm using the sub 4.15 plan as the basis for Emma's training, not the sub 4 or sub 4.30 which has a slightly different structure. But your question still stands.

'Should some of these runs be slow start/fast finish runs or should they all be LSRs? '

And my opinion is that it is v important to include some faster pace (marathon pace, or closer to it) within SOME of your long runs. Especially if you're trying to get sub-4. On Rosie's thread (who is one of the other Asics Target 26.2 runners, aiming for a sub 3.30) she has her first slow start/fast finish long run this weekend. I would probably wait another couple of weeks before introduicng this to a sub 4-4.30 programme - get a few more long slowies under your belt first. Hope that helps.

12/01/2012 at 10:17

One day at a time Sam (with regards my eating!) - I think I'm just naturally greedy!

Glad the work shop went well - I chum of mine from the running club said he had done one of your courses and really enjoyed it. It was quite a while ago and now he is one of our coaches!

Oh dear - having pledged to do the run there is no backing out! I often tell my students what my session is for the evening and then they quiz me in the morning. The fact that it is written out for me makes it much easier - I am quite obedient really!

At the moment I'm still not out doing the megga runs so it is manageable... it gets tough at 15 and above for me. Largely being out for that length of time I think as much as anything else. How far will you run today?

Tonight I am off to track - 1m jog, then 3 x 1 mile at 10k pace with 3 min recoveries, 1 mile jog! This is nice becsude they are all doing a 5 mile marathon pace session... hopefully I shall finish at a similar time to the bulk of the group if they also do warm up and cool down. Last week I was showing people my strength exercises

I'll try to be calmer about the paces - but as my hubby would testify I am a worrier!

Have a great run!

12/01/2012 at 10:26

Thanks. It's  a ten-miler today... I'm not doing a spring marathon - my main focus is a 10 mile race at end of this month and a march half marathon so alternating between shorter speedier long runs and slower longer ones.

Have a good track session tonight - and really try to stick to the pace

12/01/2012 at 10:36

A ten mile race and 1/2 marathon sound much more civilised!

After Paris I would love to try and crack 50 mins for a 10k!

will def stick to the pace - working on 8:20 ish for each of the mile long intervals! will really endeavour to be consistent too. Garmin always looks hilarious for track sessions as round and round in perfectly neat patterns! 

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