Talkback: ASICS Target 26.2 Team: Rosie

Introducing the third member of our ASICS Target 26.2 team - Rosie (aka RosieA) Rosie will be mentored by Sam Murphy on this thread (starti...

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mcs
04/01/2012 at 21:54
Ruth.......in my first marathon i hit the wall at about twenty miles despite taking gels every fifty mins and having done reasonable well in training and taking on water. Do you have any suggestions. I am six foot two, slim build and twelve stone. I eat fairly regularly in daily life and healthy too, I have the Coeliac condition. Think I might need to eat something solid in the third hour of the marathon........any thoughts......? Thanks in advance.
04/01/2012 at 23:05
Just been catching up on your thread... seems like all's going well. Am still up for the GWR on Sat.... would love to meet up if time to say hello.... will message you....
04/01/2012 at 23:14
Hey Simon - saw you on utube being interviewed at the end of the Kielder Marathon - "i'll be back next year" was the quote !! Great results Sunday and Tuesday (think Benno going to burst a blood vessel soon!) 
05/01/2012 at 08:54
mcs - I hate to say it but hitting the wall at mile 20 during your first marathon is very common. It's happened to me a few times. The most common reason is lack of aerobic fitness for the distance at the speed you're running at. The main reason for this is running the LSR runs too fast in training. Do another marathon and it will get easier. re: solid foods, if I'm jogging rather than racing a marathon I will often eat a mars bar or a snickers bar at mile 15.
05/01/2012 at 09:57

Hey mcs - echoing Spoons except I've not (yet) experienced hitting the wall but then I walked during every LSR in mara training to keep my HR down (still got round under 4 hours so it didn't hurt my training to walk).  I had a snack size mars bar at 20 miles but not sure whether you can have those or if they contain gluten??? Not sure I could eat a full one!

Enjoy the GWR peeps - I entered it last year but due to snow had to miss it as was late arriving after a nightmare down the A9.  I'm not missing that side of Scottish Winter racing I'm afraid! Hope the weather is being kinder to you this year!

 Anyone fancy giving me a hand with my cross training this morning? Moving 500kg of logs from drive to log store.... No?  Strange that LOL (Even hubby's gotten out of it! Some excuse about being away for 8 weeks hahahaha - don't worry I'll save him some jobs for when he gets back)

mcs
05/01/2012 at 10:30

Interesting point about walking in LSR sleepy I am using the HR in the LSR this year to make me go slower, I defo ran too fast last time I was doing 15 plus miles in training.............snicker bars okay.......mini mars contain gluten strangely but not large Mars bars................ Sam says she just uses the drinks but I found they repeat on me when running. Okay before but not during.

I ll pop down and help you shift logs, though abit weary as the gales up here last night were awesome, trees down and a mess everywhere so not much sleep.

05/01/2012 at 19:21
shaggy t wrote (see)

Hi Rosie  - did the overall run end up at nearly 13 miles or 7 miles in total. ?

Just looking at how it was written it looked like a 7 mile run to me, but your post made me think you did nearer the 13 mark.

no problem either way, and only asking out of curiosity


Well spotted Shaggy t. I wondered about this too! Knowing what a mileage freak you are, Rosie, I can't help suspecting you did 7 miles easy as a 'warm up' when the session was actually 7 miles in total. Come on, you can tell us!! Like I said, after the GWR, we'll have a chat about your mileage and pacing and perhaps make some adjustments.
05/01/2012 at 20:14
SamMurphyRuns wrote (see)
shaggy t wrote (see)

Hi Rosie  - did the overall run end up at nearly 13 miles or 7 miles in total. ?

Just looking at how it was written it looked like a 7 mile run to me, but your post made me think you did nearer the 13 mark.

no problem either way, and only asking out of curiosity


Well spotted Shaggy t. I wondered about this too! Knowing what a mileage freak you are, Rosie, I can't help suspecting you did 7 miles easy as a 'warm up' when the session was actually 7 miles in total. Come on, you can tell us!! Like I said, after the GWR, we'll have a chat about your mileage and pacing and perhaps make some adjustments.


Ha! Ok, confession time it is. (And I'm mildly concerned you guys can figure me out so well already), I did misread that as being a 7mile warm up, so did around 13 miles in total. I am willing to accept this may have been a [subconscious] deliberate misereading. Ooops! Well, it was fun anyway.. While I'm at this fessing up business I should admit to having done exactly the same for today too, so my 1M warm up was accidentally 4M today, instead of 4M total. I've had a word with my brain and this should not occur again  

 So, to Day 3, week 2, Wednesday. The plan was: 6M (55 mins) slow. 

I did: 6M @ 9min mile pace. How slow should slow be? I find running slower than 9-9.15min/mile I get cold if running outside, (I am a wimp and seem to get cold easily) and it feels a bit weird. Probably didn't help that due to other committments I ran it at 0530, and it was dark and freezing, so brisk felt preferable to slow.

Today, week 2, day 4, Thursday. The plan was: 4M of 1M jog, then 2M (approx 15 mins) brisk, then 1M jog (try to do this on flat, even surface)

There are further confessions relating to the warm up today. On entering the park I overtook* the US cross country team who looked like they were off to scope out the course for Saturday, and instantly wanting to see the start area for the GWR which is just before the international cross country, my warm up was a 4M lap and a bit of Holyrood Park, so the course for Saturday plus a bit... I admit this is stretching the definition of flat and even . The jogging part I'm also struggling to get the hang of. I did this warm up at between 9-8min/mile pace, can that be described as jogging?

The 2M brisk then went a bit more to plan. I ran it on the flat area by the palace, according to garmin average pace for these was 6:58. Actually, is that too fast for brisk? ... I really need to practice pacing!, then 1M jog home (went over Salisbury crags through Hunter's Bog for this part, so, if you know the area, again pushing the definition of 'flat').

Hmm. I need to try harder at following instructions??

Tomorrow is NO RUNNING day.


*this feat is not nearly as impressive as it sounds, they were walking at the time  

05/01/2012 at 20:25
RUTH MCKEAN wrote (see)

Many congratulations on your selection! My name is Ruth, the Pro Team Dietitian. I am really looking forward to following your journey to Paris. You certainly have motivation and will power!

I will only be on your thread a couple of times per week  but I will do my very  best to answer all questions!


Hi Ruth! Great to see you on here.

Diet is a problem area for me, I seem to be very bad at making time to eat and on reflection a large proprtion of my calorific intake comes from sports drinks consumed on the go.. I know all the refined sugar isn't ideal but if I stop them I lose weight (wouldn't hurt to lose a bit, but my BMI isn't over, so I don't need to lose loads, and when I stopped them a few years ago I did get underweight and fatigued quite quickly). Any ideas on a better way to go about things? I often start the day ok, but then as the day goes on it goes to pieces.. Thanks!

05/01/2012 at 20:30

Hi Rosie,

sounds good so far. Don't forget the preventative core exercises and stretches we went through at boot camp.

See you in a few weeks for an mot.

Sarah

05/01/2012 at 20:34
sarah asics pro team wrote (see)

Hi Rosie,

sounds good so far. Don't forget the preventative core exercises and stretches we went through at boot camp.

See you in a few weeks for an mot.

Sarah


Thanks Sarah!
mcs
05/01/2012 at 21:44
I love food but having daughters who enjoy cooking I am lucky to get too much food. Eat well Rosie it's fuel!
05/01/2012 at 21:49
Rosie A wrote (see)
Tomorrow is NO RUNNING day.
Good luck with this - I feel it's probably where you need our support most!
05/01/2012 at 23:02

Can I have some of your get up and go - mine got up and went!

Cheeky - 8-9 mins miles is not jogging it is my 10k pace - very speedy it is too!

Have a good weekend lovely - wish I could loose some weight that easily! Can't stop eating at the moment!

06/01/2012 at 00:34
Weeble. wrote (see)
Rosie A wrote (see)
Tomorrow is NO RUNNING day.
Good luck with this - I feel it's probably where you need our support most!


Thanks Weeble.

I think you're right. It's only 35minutes in and I'm struggling!

[Needless to say I don't even normally run at this time, well, not usually, though it has been known.. ]

Only 23 hours 25 minutes to go..

06/01/2012 at 00:39

Hey Emma - hope you have a lovely weekend too.

mcs - that's great that your daughters like cooking. I need someone like that!  Dug is very interested in food, though not particularly in the cooking side of things..

06/01/2012 at 07:36
I love cooking Rosie ... Well baking and making puds. You'll have to come and stay on sunny Sussex!

What do folks think of compression socks for recovery ... My calves are more sore since starting program. Think I might be running slightly differently as I am running slightly faster?!
06/01/2012 at 07:51

Rosie - I do think your compulsory no runday will be one of the most important aspects of your schedule and lead to a great time in Paris - once read that its not when you train that you get the benefit of a session but during the recovery period as the fitness benefit is absorbed into the body and after rest you are stronger to go next time - so rest today and just think how good you'll be on tomorrow's run !!

Oh and eat, eat, eat - good balanced diet of carbs, protein and fruit/veg and plenty of it

06/01/2012 at 07:55
EmmaC wrote (see)
I love cooking Rosie ... Well baking and making puds. You'll have to come and stay on sunny Sussex! What do folks think of compression socks for recovery ... My calves are more sore since starting program. Think I might be running slightly differently as I am running slightly faster?!


Aw, thanks!!

I use compression gear quite a bit as having had burns it can be really useful, but haven't really tried the socks. I have some lower leg compression things I've never used though (got them free when buying compression tops). They are the skins calf-tight ones in a small. Let me know if you could use them and will post them.

06/01/2012 at 09:26

Morning 'all!

Rosie - I could gaffer tape you to a chair if that'll help!  Interesting stat for you that might help you decide a bit of rest is good for you... I do a Polar Tit Test once a month (it gives you a reading based on HR variability which somehow equates to your VO2 max). From January to August last year it was fairly static and then in September it dropped by a point.  I knew I was feeling a bit tired which it reflected so I decided to take a 12 week break from doing intervals. My score rose again month on month and it is now 4 points higher than it was all year which I'm taking to mean that my body has now absorbed the benefits of the training.  I'm starting my Intervals again next week but even know I feel a whole lot stronger! Rest could be the difference between getting your PB and missing it by a few seconds - you know we're grounding you for your own good!!! LOL

mcs - Can't remember who it was who told me about the walking thing - some marathon guru (probably in RW) who encouraged walking for 5 minutes in every hour of a long run (ie run 55, walk 5minutes, repeat!) Logs are done hurrah - you must have helped me using the power of your mind - took just under an hour and I don't even ache today - bonus! Gonna have a lovely fire tonight and get all cosy!

Emma - I had some 2XU recovery socks which my hubby has now nicked because I've been singing their praises so much.  They have to be the right size/tricky to get on I believe to be of any help.  I found they helped eased major cramping after hard sessions to virtually nothing. (And yes I was probably trying too hard during the session which was why my calves were suffering so much! Slower/longer recoveries needed??)

Taking Chrimbo decs down today - booooooooooooo followed by an upper body workout (raking yet more leaves - hopefully the lastbin full!!) Have a good day all - will look forward to reading about it later

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