Talkback: Lucozade Sport Super Six: Christina (sub-3:00)

Follow the progress of just back from a run, our sub-3:00 hopeful, as she receives expert advice from mentor Paul Evans

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22/12/2009 at 17:44

Barnsley, I think Liz Y may give advice by text also. MM has said he will rest for 10 days and I believe Sue C was told complete rest for 7 days prior to her marathon specific training last year. Obviously Liz Y knows a hell of alot more than me about marathon training and I dont believe there is only one right approach just interesting to note.

22/12/2009 at 17:49
FaIr enough - I was only going on what was on the public thread.  I would think that if the point is that we can follow all training advice given to the six then all such advice not involving personal health / family matters would be on these threads, as that is the point of them.
22/12/2009 at 18:02

Good luck with the training JBFAR - look forward to following you on this thread...

22/12/2009 at 18:06

Yes that would be nice but I get the impression we only get a glimpse. I suppose it depends on the mentor and their willingness to expose themselves to public scrutiny and too many back seat drivers! But I'm sure JBFRA & MM will spread the word anyway.

22/12/2009 at 21:13

so just back from club (well have eaten) and it was proper parky out!  may have frost bite on my nose-Hills were called off so 6 x 800m on grass instead- so all in all 7 miles with some tempo stuff.  As im not used to tempo stuff it really hurt and am wondering how the boxing day 10k will feel!

Regarding the mentors- we met them at the meet and greet but only spent a little while with them, but apart from that i believe Paul will be coming on here and giving advice publicly so all can see and I will be asking questions on the thread...

22/12/2009 at 22:04

BR/Shadow Face - Yes I had to take a full weeks rest before marathon training last year. It is very hard to do when you are used to running a lot. I was extremely motivated to start the schedule I remember. I have no idea whether it did me any harm or benefit to be absolutely honest with you. I was in a different position to MM though, who has trained for two marathons this year and I suspect will definately benefit from a 'down' week if only from a mental point of view.

This year I have been running pretty consistent 45-50 mile weeks for a while now (bar a couple of lighter weeks due to two illnesses) Simmering I guess you could call it before a 12 week schedule for Blackpool and an increase in volume and marathon specific training.

Certainly is 'proper parky' Christina!

22/12/2009 at 22:37
BR - I'm only on 29-31 mpw for the past two weeks so on the (public) advice from Liz I am cutting down my training a lot. Being someone who uses running to commute to work 4 days per week (min 2.5 miles each way) then being off for 2 weeks over the festive period means that this won't be hard to achieve.
Personally i've found that training for London the past two years means that I have a down time of 2 weeks complete rest before coming into some great form. Witness this year when I did 3h19m (PB) then had 2 weeks rest before doing a local HM and going sub 90 for the first time. Last year I had 2 weeks rest then blasted a 5 mile event, a 5 k and a 10k in the subsequent 3 weeks.
I doubt I'll suffer from de-training - bear in mind I've been a cyclist from 1992-2005 and a cyclist/runner since then so am plenty well endurance trained but as Sue C points out, the mental break will do me good. If I had been left alone with no input from liz I would have banged out a couple of 40 mile weeks before starting the marathon campaign - perhaps not the best way to start?
22/12/2009 at 22:44
JBFAR - It has been a bit icey round here (Poole) , I slid off my postie bike this morning!

...........should be warming up a bit towards the end of the week though so hopefully it will all of gone by Saturday.

(By the way, you might be slightly disappointed if you are looking for a 7ft giant, TR exaggerates a bit )
23/12/2009 at 06:33

JBFAR: another RW 'sub-3-er' popping in to wish you all the best for the campaign.

Not sure I'll be able to offer much advice that won't be given more lucidly from more talented, experienced or perceptive folk than myself, but I'll be following the adventure. It's going to be a lot of fun.

Sue C: simmering nicely!

23/12/2009 at 07:05

Morning

Just having a lurk about the rest/non rest debate.  I think it depends on the intensity of your running and the target.   I'm at the ploddy end of the spectrum and haven't been told to rest, which is just as well as it's a case of fighting to get out there when we can in this weather.

SF all the advice is public, but we do have our coaches' e-mail addresses and mobile numbers in case we want to ask them anything off the forum.

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23/12/2009 at 08:44

I'm plodding even slower than Hash (who is not a plodder!) and again no rest here BUT

I did have 2 wks off coughing in Dec and the ice is restricting my runs too well not as much as having the son arround! I would have been running if at home!!  I'm doing a few sessions from the 1st couple of weeks of my plan as "practice"

23/12/2009 at 09:42

Morning all.

I'm no expert at the resting/running debate but Paul hasn't told me to do anything different so I'll keep going!  I am going away for a week just after christmas so I will naturally do less miles that week so I think this will be the best of both worlds.

Off to get some compeed in a bit- have a nasty blister and dont want to get injured by running awkward before i start!...don't think its the new addidas shoes we have been given i think its my others- I have found a model of saucony shoe that I have stuck to for a very long time but the model is about 3 years out of date now so the running shop convinced me to get the latest model...hmmmm, I should have known better!! Ouch.  Yes Im prone to blisters

Marigold- do they give you danger money in these conditions?  Are you getting lots of tips at this time of year?

Njord- welcome! yes hopefully alot of fun inbetween the hard work!

23/12/2009 at 09:42

posted that twice..

Edited: 23/12/2009 at 09:43
23/12/2009 at 11:54

"Many of life's failures are people who did not realise how close they were to success when they gave up"

A quote from the VLM newsletter that I liked...

23/12/2009 at 12:29

Hi Cristina,

I hope you are well. Great to see the races you are doing next year. I'll try and attend them as well so we can catch face to face rather than over the phone. Did you get a chance to try any more of the products? I'm new to blogging on a regular basis but will try and keep up to date with what your up to over X-mas.

23/12/2009 at 12:36
Njord - I might be simmering but you are COOKING ON GAS!!! I lurk enough on the sub3 to know that much, top banana - cool!
23/12/2009 at 13:51

Best of luck JBFAR- look forward to following your progress. FWIW I'd imagine that with your previous times you have a great chance of absolutely breezing through sub 3. What has your average training week leading up to this over the past year or so looked like out of interest?

Paul- given your own origins, coming into the sport relatively late and I think Bicourt telling you that to "catch up" you had to run essentially three times a day (and then following this the eventual breakthrough in the Tour of Britain?) wouldn't you think at this stages that two runs a day is pretty much the absolute minimum that needs to be done for high level performance? Think you're running a flying coach day for us early in January so look forward to catching up then! 

Will post some questions up on here if you don't mind regarding your own schedules you handed out after the Lee Valley day from before some of your best races!

23/12/2009 at 16:28

Hi Christina

Good luck with the blisters!

Productive day for me Christmas wise although no run today  - did manage to get out for a casual 7 miler yesterday however. Glad to see you've got some good runs in despite the weather. Good luck with the 10k - let me know how you get on and should I not log on over the next couple of days, have a great christmas.

 Jon

23/12/2009 at 19:39

Ooh, Christine, nip that in the bud before the fun officially starts!

I hear sprouts are an excellent cure for blisters  

23/12/2009 at 20:45

Best of luck JBFAR, hope you enjoy the journey as much as I did.  You seem to have the opposite problem to me - I underperform at the shorter races and get better as the distance increases! (2008.. 10k 39:10, mara 3:03).

Hope that blister heals damn quick for you.

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