Talkback: Lucozade Sport Super Six: Christina (sub-3:00)

Follow the progress of just back from a run, our sub-3:00 hopeful, as she receives expert advice from mentor Paul Evans

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28/12/2009 at 18:45
Gawping in admiration at your Boxing Day result.   I mean - Boxing Day!!!!   Very, very well done
28/12/2009 at 19:19
Paul: Happy Christmas to you! Hope you had a good one. Yes a sub 40 just but not sub 3 shape yet! As BR asks what are the main factors needed to get me in that shape?
I forgot to mention- I had a right bruise on my right calf after the 10k, I only realised after and then on yesterdays run I noticed it because it was hurting. I have a tendency to bash my calf with my left heel- so I concentrated on tonight's run to not do this as it must be not very efficient. Can you recommend any drills or anything to get my technique better?

Hilly/BR: Well done on both your 10k results, that's quite a marathon time you are aiming for BR! Hilly; hope you are feeling better now?

TR: No D didn't do the 10k he was walking round the lakes with Ringo the dog, and shouting SPRINT when I went passed, which was very helpful of course! You are right about Stubbington- i will need to get miles in in Jan I think.

Scruffmeister: I am using the RW sub 3 schedule- Paul hasn't sent me a reworked schedule. I have told him the races I am doing so maybe he will tweak it then- We spoke about me doing 2 runs a day I think he will be looking at introducing this late January? He highlighted the key sessions to me which is really what Golden-Eagle has said earlier, the LSR, a tempo session and a faster longish run.

Hash: Thanks! Ill have a nose on your thread in a sec

I am going away for a week tomorrow so am planning to tick over but it will be a lighter week than usual.
The Evil Pixie    pirate
28/12/2009 at 20:05

do you know what ... reading this thread and Richard's makes me so glad I'm slow!!

Total respect girl!! Ironlady!

28/12/2009 at 20:14

She's hard as nails, isn't she?

Go Christina!!

Edited: 28/12/2009 at 20:14
The Evil Pixie    pirate
28/12/2009 at 20:22
very Spinks!
28/12/2009 at 21:58
Evil Pixie - why do you say that (about reading this thread and MM's)? I am curious!
28/12/2009 at 22:29

Congrats on the run at Boxing day JBFAR- great way to start your training in sub 40 10k shape. Avoiding kicking one leg out from under the other definitely sounds like a good start - take care with that bruise!

28/12/2009 at 22:34

Hi Christina

Well done on your 10k at this stage in the game, to say the least is very incouraging

Ok your right calf problem !

As you are going  away on holiday, were you will not be running but cross training,this will give your bruised calf time to heal

this calf problem! is it an ongoing problem, or is it something that has just flared up ?

28/12/2009 at 22:42
Hi Paul- the calf is just bruised as my left heel has been bashing it a bit in the 10k- I think it's just my technique. I have had it before but maybe not as bad. Tonight on my run i focused on my technique and not bashing it-just wondered if I should be doing any drills to sort it out, but perhaps it's a case of just being aware of it.

Thanks HH!
28/12/2009 at 23:36

Hi JBFAR

I can only dream of a 39.59 10k .... and on Boxday Day too! Much respect lady!

Anyway great start on your thread. How many hits??????? You'll hit 3000 before you start at this rate.  

1 week to Week 1 Bring it on!

28/12/2009 at 23:38
errr I meant Boxing Day. I have no idea why I keep writing BOXDAY?
Cheerful Dave    pirate
29/12/2009 at 00:05
TR wrote (see)

most folks say that you need to be able to do 38 mins - ish for a sub3, but I'm not sure cos I dont do 10ks.


Looking at what folks on the sub-3 thread do, I'm not sure there's much of a correlation between 10k times and marathon times, certainly when trying to decide whether 37/38/39 is good for 3 hours.  With her ironman background JBFAR is clearly an endurance athlete, and I suspect she'll end up with a marathon result much better than her 10k times would predict.  It'll certainly be interesting following how things go.

No, I don't do many 10ks either, but partly that's because I'm compartively rubbish at them.  Chicken/egg I suppose.

The Evil Pixie    pirate
29/12/2009 at 09:24

Sue - the times that these guys are pumping out are just so amazing! I'm aiming for sub 5, on my application I put my weakness is self belief and it's true!

I dream of getting a GFA (3:45) , it's an honour to run/be part of the team with these guys. I hope some of their talent rubs off on me!

29/12/2009 at 09:35

I disagree Dave...I think JBFAR has a mammoth challenge. A club mate of mine ran sub 41min/10K this time last year and he did 3:14 at London. He was well committed to his training. He improved to sub 39min/10K too and ran a 87min/half, as part of the build up. 10K times have a big correlation to mara times, but it of course varies for each individual.

JFBAR is definitely ahead of him, but if she manages 2:59'59". I think it will be an excellent achievement. 3 months is a short schedule, and any improvement will be limited because of this.

It's definitely possible, but I think she will need a sub 85min/half under her before she tackles it.

Cheerful Dave    pirate
29/12/2009 at 11:36

Oh, it'll be an excellent achievement Jokerman, and I agree that a half under 85 mins would be a good indicator.  I just don't think you can say you need a specific 10k time to be able to target 3 hours for a marathon.  There's too much variation between individuals in my view.

Personally I wouldn't schedule any 10k races in a VLM plan, in fact I don't do any races as specific pre-London races any more.  I just stick to a few duathlons, for no better reason than I prefer them to racing 20 miles, and recovery is a lot shorter.

29/12/2009 at 11:39
Yep it will defo be tough, don't think anyone doubts that looking at where I am now. I will be doing Wokingham half in feb so would hope to get close to 1 hour 23/24 with januarys training behind me.
Just been looking at matchstick mans thread and there's a lot of discussion about heart rates. I don't use a heart rate monitor myself, never have , but wondering whether I should. I spoke to Paul at the meet and greet about it and he encouraged me to take my resting heart rate each morning but he didn't think it was necessary to use a hr monitor. Do the majority use hr monitors?
TR
29/12/2009 at 11:55

They do - but I dont and neither did lots of World Record holders.

Your main aim still has to be a LSR, a midweek 13 or 14, and as many other stocking filler runs (preferrably 60 mins minimum) as you can manage each week. Jokerman is right, you only have limited timeto get some running endurance and impact miles under your belt.

29/12/2009 at 12:07

Jokerman / Dave - I agree with you both on different points. I personally ran my first marathon last year and managed a 2:58 off the RW sub 3 plan. 10 k time then was low 38, 1/2 was a low 1:23. I to believe there is some correlation between all race distances. i.e you need the speed from the shorter distances and the endurance from the longer.

This year I managed a 2:54 off the same RW sub 3 plan (adjusted the pace) and have a 10 k of 37 dead and 1/2 low 1:21......

JBFAR  - I only use my heart rate monitor for the LSR to stop me going to quick and it works a treat.. do you want to take me up on my earlier offer or will you be giving it a miss this year.

Come on everyone else lets hear your marathon training experiences / plans for this year.... 

29/12/2009 at 12:21
Great to know you did sub 3 following the same schedule I will. What was your previous marathon times? Did you follow it exactly or add anything in?
Cheers for the offer of stubby but I'm wondering if I may be best working on endurance in jan. What date is it? Perhaps Paul could advise what he thinks?
29/12/2009 at 12:35

JBFAR - It was my first marathon and i followed it more or less by the book. I had to swap a few of the LSR on Sundays to get the races in it suggested, but apart from that it was the same.

The marathon was bloody hard work on the day and I struggled in the last 5 - 6 miles, but held on. On the other hand for this years marathon I used the same plan, adjusted the pace, and added a number of days with double sessions, without trying to compromise the important days. i.e LSR on Sun, speed / tempo sessions Tue / Thur and the Wed longer run. Its difficult to add quality mileage, I mainly doubled up on a Mon with the planned recovery run am then a shortish speed session pm. I would also run twice on a Fri and use Sat as a rest day. Some might say they were junk miles but i managed to knock 4 mins off last years time with a 2:54. I will be doing more or less the same this year and hoping to go faster at VLM. 

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