Target 26.2 - First Timer Steve's Journey to Paris

Long runs, speed sessions... and a pair of rather tight leggings.

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07/03/2013 at 09:23

Sorry to hear about your knee woes! You’ve got a great team behind you (and forum supporters) who will hopefully get you on the start line in Paris.

I panicked at the start of my training when I started to get pains on the side of my knee after a short run and it became so unbearable I couldn’t manage a jog. I booked myself in to see a physio to get a proper diagnosis and was told I had ‘runner’s knee’. I had a massage and stuck to swimming and the cross-trainer for a full week and eased myself back with 2 mins run, 1 min walk. Although I had some initial niggles I was amazed and how much a full week off running helped. I can’t imagine how frustrating it must be but I’m sending your knee some positive vibes!

Edited: 07/03/2013 at 09:25
07/03/2013 at 14:34

Hi Steve, your first run back has got to be a very easy 15-20 mins just to see how it all feels in there. Does it still feel inflammed or has that settled now? What you felt swimming could be the cartliage catching in the joint. Keep me posted.

08/03/2013 at 11:01
Steve loves bacon wrote (see)
RUTH MCKEAN wrote (see)

The area you are staying in Paris has a lot of SMALL eating places so proving hard to get somewhere to have you all comfortably.. as you are now a star you have your support "people" also to feed  but yes narrowed down to 3 eateries. I have  my sister on the case so she is phoning  these places for me (as she lives in Paris hence the huddle of language being less of an issue for me) to make sure numbers are okay and we have some options that are non-pasta/pizza for Sarah. No online menus so she is doing the menu check over the phone also (I have given her a  list!)  but the reviews are good for all three. The furthest one away is only 0.6 miles from hotel so that is a big bonus.

Haha the downsides of celebrity life, eh? It's going to be tough dodging all those paps!

Wish I had a sister in Paris - would be great for city breaks! Just tell her j'aime des pâtes à la sauce tomate ou des pâtes aux fruits de mer. Merci.

In other vaguely nutritional news, I found the absolutely most amazing way to eat chilli this evening:

http://s3.runnersworld.co.uk/members/images/744786/gallery/chilli_heaven.jpg?width=350

 Thank you for forcing me to cook properly!


That looks amazing, other than the olives !

08/03/2013 at 11:03

Okay Steve, have sort of made a decision for you! about a restaurant the night before Marathon (6th) and in process of getting this booked. This is the one: http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g187147-d3534218-Reviews-Il_Piccolo_Rifugio-Paris_Ile_de_France.html .

The problem this year is that the area you are staying in only has small eating places so sitting 17 was the problem so close to the hotel but this restaurant has suggested that we book it all out for private eating (it only sits 23 in total anyway). It has good reviews so I just thought this was really going to be the best option. If you want to give me an idea of what you want (perhaps we can wait a couple of weeks before doing this) I have email contact so we can do this but they have Pizzas and topping of your choice (so little or no cheese could be an option!), pasta and regular tomato sauces or other typical Italian dishes (although would advice no creamy sauces!) and also do rice options. I have suggested we book for 6.30pm.

 

The night before you are not likely to be eating until 9pm as you do not arrive in Paris until 6pm, then go straight to expo so I think best suggestion is to eat  at one of the two Italians only 200-400m form the hotel. I still need to confirm they will take the number we need etc so trying to do this today. These two restaurants are ranked lower than the above by trip advisor but still good reviews. I will send link once I know these choices will be possible. Restaurant choices has been a little tricky this year,  as little website info on eating places in this area of Paris etc hence time this has taken and no menu available to give you links

08/03/2013 at 11:03

Some information just to start you thinking/remind about race day (not sure you will thank me for that one!).

  • The marathon starts at 8.45am. You are likely to be leaving hotel around 7am. So remember to pack a snack and choice of fluid in bag that you may be having in-between breakfast & race start. Check all belts/gels/ sweets again before you leave are in order.
  • Every 5km there will be bottles water and sponge station (may be useful towards end if hot). There is also dried fruit and fresh fruit at these stations but suggest you stick to your practiced plan.
  • At 22km (around 14miles) there is PowerAde available but only at his time. I would be happy if you wanted to mouth wash with this but probably nothing more unless you know for sure this won’t cause you stomach problems.
08/03/2013 at 17:36

As per tweet earlier, Steve, I'm echoing Sarah's sentiment that today's run should be just a small test-out - 20 mins or so and to abandon if causes significant pain. I'm so sorry you're having to go through this uncertainty - let's hope things turn around...

09/03/2013 at 10:25

we are all waiting in anticipation how the knee was with your first run!!????/.......

09/03/2013 at 21:21

Hiya,

Sorry for the lack of updates!

I ran for just over 20 minutes this morning at a very slow pace and basically took it really easy. I got through the run without any significant pain but there was definitely something not right with the knee...

Before and at bootcamp last week I was able to run four or five miles before any pain really started to kick in so I'm still unsure as to whether there has been improvement or not after having the rest. Unfortunately, it did feel much as it did beforehand so I guess I'll have to wait until I start hitting the longer runs before I can be certain of what is going on and whether it has improved or not.

I'm feeling pretty deflated this evening to be honest. Probably not the best time to be writing a post, so please do forgive me for having a bit of a moan!

I've just had a bit of a read of all the other threads on here and watched the vid from training day two to try and cheer myself up a bit but it's actually sort of had the opposite effect seeing everyone chatting about long runs and so on.

I've had the letter through to make my appointment for a scan already so I'm really pleased that my doctor got that sorted so quickly - I'm going to phone around the three places on offer first thing Monday morning to see which as the earliest appointment available for me...

Overall I'm not quite sure what to think at the moment and I guess I just want to know for certain what is going on with it and how much of an effect it is going to have. But one step at a time.

Tomorrow I've been asked to try out a three mile run so we'll see how that goes and then re-assess again...

Hope everyone is having a great weekend

09/03/2013 at 21:26
Paul Martin 66 wrote (see)
Hey Steve, I've been following you for a while as (at the start anyway!) your timings seemed to match my aspirations for London this April. I have one previous attempt at London, 11 years ago when I was a mere 31... I managed all my training plan and then just three weeks before the big day I did my 20 miler in 3 hours so I was on target for sub 4:00. Next day I couldn't walk, I then was diagnosed with shin splints and was told by a physio that all I could do was have treatment and rest for the three weeks to the big day. It was hard to take after all the winter training. Anyway, my comment here is that your thoughts above are bang on! I lost my time completely of course but the day was amazing. The idea of running a whole marathon , the crowds, the atmosphere etc all more than made up for the injury problem. It was a fantastic day that I will always remember. My time ? 4:46:21 so I lost nearly an hour from prediction but it really honestly just didn't matter , I had a huge beaming smile in my photo with the medal !

I really hope you are able to run in Paris whatever the condition of your knee over the coming month and enjoy the experience!!

For me, now my second try. Been training since September, had some minor injuries, one hip, one knee but doing ok, on target for sub 4:00 again and crossing fingers and built a relationship with my new best friend , the foam roller.

Take care , rest up and build the mileage up slowly again.

 

Hi Paul,

Thanks so much for your message. That is a fantastic achievement to even get round after suffering with shin splints so close to the big day! Hopefully I'll have an equally big smile on my face when I'm standing there with my medal at the end.

Best of luck with this year! I really do hope you get your sub 4:00 goal - it sounds like you deserve it after your experience last time...!

Yes, Sarah loves the foam roller and strongly recommends them. I think with all the punishment you put your body through when training to run such a huge distance, anything you can do to keep your muscles loose has got to be a good idea!

09/03/2013 at 21:31
KatyLo wrote (see)

Sorry to hear about your knee woes! You’ve got a great team behind you (and forum supporters) who will hopefully get you on the start line in Paris.

I panicked at the start of my training when I started to get pains on the side of my knee after a short run and it became so unbearable I couldn’t manage a jog. I booked myself in to see a physio to get a proper diagnosis and was told I had ‘runner’s knee’. I had a massage and stuck to swimming and the cross-trainer for a full week and eased myself back with 2 mins run, 1 min walk. Although I had some initial niggles I was amazed and how much a full week off running helped. I can’t imagine how frustrating it must be but I’m sending your knee some positive vibes!

 

Hi Katy,

Thank you Yes, the team are fantastic and so knowledgeable and Sarah and Sam have been amazing with the knee - they've both been texting all weekend and are genuinely concerned so that means a lot to me.

As for everyone on the forum, every time I get a message it puts a smile on my face - I've generally been quite upbeat about everything but today I've been a bit down in the dumps about it all but reading your message and the others really has given me a boost

Thanks for the positive vibes - is your knee fully back to normal now?

09/03/2013 at 21:33
RUTH MCKEAN wrote (see)

          That looks amazing, other than the olives !

 

The olives were amazing! I dressed the olives, tomatoes and spring onion in a dressing of olive oil, lemon juice and finely chopped coriander... Was very tasty!

09/03/2013 at 21:37
RUTH MCKEAN wrote (see)

Okay Steve, have sort of made a decision for you! about a restaurant the night before Marathon (6th) and in process of getting this booked. This is the one: http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g187147-d3534218-Reviews-Il_Piccolo_Rifugio-Paris_Ile_de_France.html .

The problem this year is that the area you are staying in only has small eating places so sitting 17 was the problem so close to the hotel but this restaurant has suggested that we book it all out for private eating (it only sits 23 in total anyway). It has good reviews so I just thought this was really going to be the best option. If you want to give me an idea of what you want (perhaps we can wait a couple of weeks before doing this) I have email contact so we can do this but they have Pizzas and topping of your choice (so little or no cheese could be an option!), pasta and regular tomato sauces or other typical Italian dishes (although would advice no creamy sauces!) and also do rice options. I have suggested we book for 6.30pm.

 

The night before you are not likely to be eating until 9pm as you do not arrive in Paris until 6pm, then go straight to expo so I think best suggestion is to eat  at one of the two Italians only 200-400m form the hotel. I still need to confirm they will take the number we need etc so trying to do this today. These two restaurants are ranked lower than the above by trip advisor but still good reviews. I will send link once I know these choices will be possible. Restaurant choices has been a little tricky this year,  as little website info on eating places in this area of Paris etc hence time this has taken and no menu available to give you links

 

Thanks for all the info Ruth - the restaurant looks great. I suppose a calzone is out of the question then??

I have always used powerade when running so that should be fine for me - I've used it on all my long runs so hopefully it should be just what I need...

09/03/2013 at 21:38
SamMurphyRuns wrote (see)

As per tweet earlier, Steve, I'm echoing Sarah's sentiment that today's run should be just a small test-out - 20 mins or so and to abandon if causes significant pain. I'm so sorry you're having to go through this uncertainty - let's hope things turn around...

Thanks Sam, and thanks for giving up your weekend to respond to all my emails, texts and so on! I really, really do appreciate it

Best of luck with your race tomorrow... sounds tough!

09/03/2013 at 21:39

Hey up Steve........I've been thinking about how your run went all day. I was hoping for good news, but it definitely doesn't sound like it's completely bad news. It sounds like you could be in a much worse position.

You managed to run without any significant pain, and if you can do that for longer periods and the pain doesn't increase, then that will get you to the finish. At the pace you've been running as well, I'm sure a sub 4hr is still a possibility. I have full faith in this.

Plus with your cross-training, I doubt you will be lost anything from resting in the last week. You seem to be doing everything right regarding the knee, so this can only put you in the best possible position you can be. 

In 4 weeks will be crossing that finish line together in Paris! 

Keep positive mate! 

 

09/03/2013 at 21:40
sarah asics pro team wrote (see)

Hi Steve, your first run back has got to be a very easy 15-20 mins just to see how it all feels in there. Does it still feel inflammed or has that settled now? What you felt swimming could be the cartliage catching in the joint. Keep me posted.

Thank you again for all your help and advice, Sarah - it did mean a lot that you took the time to chat to me this morning about it

It's got a kind of dull throb this evening but nothing too bad... hopefully that'll settle down overnight and I can get through the three miles tomorrow trouble free!

09/03/2013 at 21:41
melaniejayne wrote (see)

we are all waiting in anticipation how the knee was with your first run!!????/.......

Hey Mel!

Sorry been a bit grumpy all day so have left off posting so I didn't sound like too much of a moany git! Feeling a bit better now for having read the lovely messages from everyone though

09/03/2013 at 21:43
Shady_Ady wrote (see)

Hey up Steve........I've been thinking about how your run went all day. I was hoping for good news, but it definitely doesn't sound like it's completely bad news. It sounds like you could be in a much worse position.

You managed to run without any significant pain, and if you can do that for longer periods and the pain doesn't increase, then that will get you to the finish. At the pace you've been running as well, I'm sure a sub 4hr is still a possibility. I have full faith in this.

Plus with your cross-training, I doubt you will be lost anything from resting in the last week. You seem to be doing everything right regarding the knee, so this can only put you in the best possible position you can be. 

In 4 weeks will be crossing that finish line together in Paris! 

Keep positive mate! 

 

Thanks Ady I have been pretty upbeat about it all - just had a bit of a downer today but tomorrow is a new day... Like you say, it could definitely be a lot worse!

If you suddenly notice you're feeling a bit heavier on the start line in Paris, that's because I've just jumped on for a piggy-back... and I'll still expect you to go sub 3:30 even carrying me

09/03/2013 at 22:30
Hi Steve,
I've been thinking about u. Injury sucks, and I've had a similar experience after what feels like an age of rest.
Sarah will probably kill me for saying this, as its important to be aware of what ur body is telling u. But I also think the mind is very powerful. Perhaps before u go out again, visuallise what it felt like running before u had any issues. Just a thought. I've found that when I've done all I should have done with an injury and given it time, I still sometimes feel it, but I think it's because I'm expecting to feel it, if that makes sense.
Obviously the scan will tell u all, but it might be worth a shot to think of healing and visualise if it is inconclusive...
Good luck!
10/03/2013 at 11:11
Angela Isherwood 2 wrote (see)
Hi Steve,
I've been thinking about u. Injury sucks, and I've had a similar experience after what feels like an age of rest.
Sarah will probably kill me for saying this, as its important to be aware of what ur body is telling u. But I also think the mind is very powerful. Perhaps before u go out again, visuallise what it felt like running before u had any issues. Just a thought. I've found that when I've done all I should have done with an injury and given it time, I still sometimes feel it, but I think it's because I'm expecting to feel it, if that makes sense.
Obviously the scan will tell u all, but it might be worth a shot to think of healing and visualise if it is inconclusive...
Good luck!

Thanks Angela, that's really lovely of you to say It felt a lot better on this morning's run than it did yesterday... so feeling a lot more positive already and that can only be a good thing!

10/03/2013 at 11:39

Well I went out for another run today... and felt really good!

It wasn't perfect but the knee felt a lot, lot better than yesterday. I don't know whether yesterday was a particularly bad day, today was a particularly good day, or whether it doesn't mean much at all... but I don't much care right now and I do have a big smile on my face and am feeling so much more positive than yesterday!

I ran three miles and whilst it didn't feel completely at 100% and there was something there, it really didn't feel that bad at all and I felt confident enough to play around with paces a bit, running one part a bit faster, another part a bit slower - I was almost treating it like a fartlek session as I just wanted to see what would happen when I sped up a bit rather than just when I was plodding... and that fact alone tells you that it was feeling so much better.

My calf feels a bit tight at the moment but I'm 99.9% certain that this is purely down to me not quite running with my normal form (Sam may say that's not necessarily a bad thing!) as I was favouring the knee slightly... I'm sure that will sort itself out as the knee gets better and I feel more confident running on it.

The run itself was... well actually it was pretty horrible! Haha. It was so much colder than I was expecting and after a mile or so it started to rain, which very quickly turned into a bit of sleet - I thought we'd done with all that nonsense! There was also a bit of a biting wind so I was, all in all, pretty damn cold and wishing I'd put my gloves and leggings on. But I was still smiling nonetheless.

Here's the Garmin info on the run.

So... I may not be out of the woods, but the trees are definitely looking a bit thinner this morning and, dare I say it, I'm looking forward to running in Paris again and have adopted my customary grin.

I have no idea what I'm going to be running this week - whether I'm going to try and just slot back into the planned sessions or whether Sam is going to play around with things, but I reckon I could give a longer run a try and see where we are.

Over to you, Sam!

Edited: 10/03/2013 at 11:47
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