The Road to Paris - On a Plateau - Asics Target 26.2 Training

The highs, lows (and everything in between) of my 16 week Paris Marathon training plan.

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13/04/2013 at 21:54

Is it in Feb again Jen? Very tempting. 

Sarah, leave the worrying to the experts (ie me). You just focus on how much you are going to smash it by! 

13/04/2013 at 22:36
How far did you go for your 1st post Paris jog? My legs feel good now but I've got a pain on the top of my right foot that's stopping me getting back out!
14/04/2013 at 17:30
Malcs wrote (see)

Your Comrades training sounds really exciting. I'd like to try an ultra myself one day but not just yet. TR24 is a gentler step into that world but having a break every 6 miles won't be quite the same.

Are you going to keep your thread going to keep us up to date with your Comrades training?

Yes - one week to go. Quite excited now. Confident? Kind of. Certainly confident of a PB but sub 3:30 is still a little scary. Fingers crossed. 

Good to hear your legs are back and feeling good. Look forward to hearing how you get on in the world of the ultra.

Afternoon Malcs! It must have been nice this weekend to not have a long run to do, although in today's weather, it might have been nice to get out in the sunshine for once. 

The TR24 sounds quality to be honest. I love the fact you can run solo against a team of 8 - it kind of opens the even up to more people! I think this would have been a bit too much for my running calender to fit in after Comrades, plus, I'd like a few weeks over the Summer, where I can just concentrate on shorter distances, or even have a few weeks off altogether!

If people are interested and enquire about the Comrades training, then I'm more than happy to keep this updated, but I'm not sure what interest there would be as I doubt many people would be silly enough to transition from a marathon training plan to an ultra training plan and expect to be race ready for the ultra only 8 weeks after running the marathon as hard as possible. 

The mileage is very daunting. I'm using the training schedule off the Comrades website, using the the Bill Rowan training schedule to finish between 7hrs30mins and 9hrs. This is apprently for people who have ran a half under 1:40 and a ful marathon around 3:30. To be honest though, I'm just happy to finish the race inside the 12 hour cut off.

Looking at the schedule, the thought of the next three weekends being a 25, 40 and 30 LSR/ walk is extremely daunting. It's also interesting the training schedule is done by minutes instead of miles, so those that are quicker will end up running many more miles in a week than those who are slower (although the time on feet will be the same). I've never seen this before!

Good luck in your last week!

jenf wrote (see)

Just caught up with the thread, I've been away without a phone or internet!

SO SO pleased for you Ady. You so deserved that result. I've really enjoyed reading your thread.

Hey Malcs, how about doing Born to Run ultra with me next spring.  Any other takers???

Thanks Jen. I still can't believe I managed it. I can't believe it was only last week as well.......it seems like months ago now. 

I've just looked at the Born to Run ultra. It looks really nice. I'm surprised though how cheap it is and also that it's limited to 100 entrants. At the moment I'm planning on doing another Spring Marathon next year, but that could easily change!

Are you definitely entering this? Have you done it before?

14/04/2013 at 17:43
Ksizzlepod wrote (see)

Hey Ady, I loved reading your forum from the start and the race report in Paris was very informative and motivating. Congrats again on the result, you deserved it. 

Also congratulations on expectant fatherhood approaching!!

Through your thread and reading all the advice everyone has shared I feel very prepared to start my first Marathon campaign and cant wait!

Good luck with the training for commrades. 

The toenails will be fine, dont worry. If they fall off, let them come off on their own and dont force them sooner. They will regrow in time but it can take a while, be patient. Sometimes it doesnt matter how short you cut them before a race you can still get nasty bruises and loose them.   

Thanks Ksizzlepod. I hope your marathon training goes well. If I do a Spring Marathon next year, I'll definitely follow next years winners as I'm sure this will help me challenge for another quick time. 

The toenails are much better now thanks........I had thought all week that the toenails were just bruised, but after discomfort from today's run I realised there were blisters underneath the toenails.....with these now taken care of, the pain has subsided....I wish I'd realised this a week ago!

sarah osborne wrote (see)
Ady your mad...comrades and the training for it sounds mental!

Im feeling good about VLM today...im ready to face it head on...yesterday however I was feeling quite nauseous when ever I thought about it!

Hey Sarah.........hopefully this time next week, you'll be basking in the glory of a very quick VLM time and a monstrous PB!

The training for Comrades actually isn't too bad....the LSR at the weekend are daunting and the mileage is higher during the week, but the pace is slower than marathon training, so it shouldn't be as intense. I'm just going to try and get as much time on my feet as my legs allow, not bothering too much about time.

Best of luck next week......when are you going to the Expo? Will you get it out of the way with early so you can relax, or will you do it on the Saturday so you can take in the atmosphere and get in the zone?

14/04/2013 at 17:49
Paulo83 wrote (see)
How far did you go for your 1st post Paris jog? My legs feel good now but I've got a pain on the top of my right foot that's stopping me getting back out!

I did a nice 9m/m 3.3 miles. I did just under 6 miles today just a little bit faster, so nothing too strenous yet. I'll step up the training next week, and also get back to eating the right foods again, after having a somewhat questionable week nutrition wise!

I have had pains on the top of my feet before, but I think that was just an extension of the shin splits and tight tendons. Duirng the Paris marathon I was having a few pains on the top of my left foot towards the end and I think becuase my foot had expanded my shoe lace had become too tight. I didn't feel I had the time to do anything about it. Hopefully it's something like this and you'll be back up and running this week!

14/04/2013 at 20:37
Haha, thanks Malcs. Ive got to say ive felt calm all weekend...probably wont last though!

I think I might have to take your word for it Ady. Last year I was thinking about doing a 50 mile ultra, but as I finished VLM I swore I never would put myself through that....although like you said, they are ran/walked much slower.

Were going down on fri. We should hopefully get to london by 2pm and will collect our numbers then to get it out of the way. Going to the theatre on fri night and then we have all day sat to do something touristy but were still deciding what at the moment. Something that doesnt involve too much time on my feet!
17/04/2013 at 13:02

Ady - how's the recovery going? I've had pains in my foot before. In fact I have some now but they are very mild.

I get it where the Tibialis Anterior inserts at the top inside part of the foot. I agree with you - I think it mostly comes down to having really tight shins and the tendons getting pulled tight.

Hope that Mrs Shady is doing well with mini shady inside. 

Same with Mrs Paulo.

17/04/2013 at 19:35

Malcs, the Born to run ultra is end of March next year. I've not yet committed to run it, Ady, but the date is in my diary. I marshalled this year, and will either run or Marshall next year. Its a very friendly ultra, lots of personal touches, hence only 100 runners. Tempted???

 

18/04/2013 at 13:24

Hmm, end of March could be tricky to balance with a spring marathon. Will have to think about that Jen.

I'm still hoping the running gods will shine on us and we'll all get places in London next year for DS2's birthday

19/04/2013 at 10:07

Hey all.......good luck Malcs and Sarah this weekend....I hope you're not feeling too nervous.......about Sunday....you're both going to do amazingly well. I hope the carb-loading has now started! PAsta all the way for the next 2 days!

Just getting ready to head out to the London Marathon expo now. Being in London anyway today, I thought it would be rude note to make the small trip across to the East side. I need to ask the Comrades stand a few questions as well, as I haven't got any reply from emailing them. 

I might have to bail out of running the Born to Run ultra. I'd really like to concentrate again on another Spring marathon and from how I'm feeling now, I think it would be a big ask to do an Ultra and do it justice as well. But you never know, my impulse can take over sometimes!

Recover has been going well thanks. I didn't really do anything the first week after Paris, but have started running this week. My Comrades training plan says I should be doing 66 miles this week.........obviously very unrealistic considering what I was doing in Paris training. I've resigned myself to the fact that I'll never be meeting the mileage I should be doing for this, but I'll definitely be done enough to complete it.....which is all I wanted to do in the first place!

I have a 4 hour run around Richmond Park tomorrow....I imagine it's going to be errily quiet compared to running there a few weeks ago. It's strange slowing my pace down to 10m/m instead of 8m/m like I was running in training before. It's amazing how quickly you feel like you've lost your speed!

Anyway, enough about me.....my time has been and gone....it's all about you guys now...........all the very best for everyone running Sunday....if I canreach my target time, then you certainly have nothing to worry about! 

 

19/04/2013 at 12:38

Cheers Ady, much appreciated! I'm reasonably confident I can give it a good shot on Sunday. Weather looks good except for the wind. 15mph forecast. If that's at my back I guess I can't complain 

Wow, 66 miles in a week and that's just at the start of the training? I guess that's what you have to do when you're training to run that far.

Hope your run goes well tomorrow. Do let us know how you get on.

Enjoy the expo. I would have loved to have come up there but unfortunately I'm scrambling around trying to get things finished before heading West.

 

20/04/2013 at 13:10
How do you have time for 66miles a week? Especially at that pace?!

Good luck to the runners tomorrow!
21/04/2013 at 21:21

Hey Paulo......the simple answer to that question is I don't! Not the past week anyway! I was going to increase my weekday runs and then long weekend runs as well but work meetings and lethargy got in the way!

In the end I only managed 45 miles this week, which I think was a much more realistic target than 66! I was more than happy with this, especially the 24 mile LSR yesterday. It's going to be too much of an ask to jump up to that kind of mileage from my current base.

Are you back running after Paris?

Great to see others beat their PBs today. Good running!

21/04/2013 at 22:53

Hi Ady/everyone

Who beat their PBs Ady? Hope Malcs has! I paced the sub 4.30 group and got them round in 4.28.30 so did a respectable job for which I rewarded myself with birthday cake aplenty! Couldn't quite get the wine down though! Off to bed now. Hope everyone achieved the goals they wanted.

My foot is feeling fine but my hip is terrible - these random niggles, eh?

22/04/2013 at 10:41

Hi Sam, fantastic work on the pacing. You must be very pleased to get them round bang on time. And happy birthday too! Hope the hip sorts itself out.

I got round in 3:32:42 a PB by 26 mins! Still in shock

It's all been down to finding these forums and the help I've had at and following bootcamp. Thanks so much for your help and advice Sam and everyone else too.

Also a mention to physio Sarah for replying to my panic message a couple of days before the race.

Ady - following your progress here has been a massive help to me. I've got so much out of the process and not had any of the pressure you've had to deal with. Thanks again for all your help.

 

22/04/2013 at 11:12

Malcs - absolutely fantastic time, big congratulations!

22/04/2013 at 12:20
SamMurphyRuns wrote (see)

Hi Ady/everyone

Who beat their PBs Ady? Hope Malcs has! I paced the sub 4.30 group and got them round in 4.28.30 so did a respectable job for which I rewarded myself with birthday cake aplenty! Couldn't quite get the wine down though! Off to bed now. Hope everyone achieved the goals they wanted.

My foot is feeling fine but my hip is terrible - these random niggles, eh?

Hey Sam.....a belated happy birthday and immaculate pacing for the sub 4:30. I hope you're saving that wine for another day!  It looked perfect weather for it. I'm very happy you managed to recover from your injury in time to run. Hopefully the hip will be back to normal after rest.....or at least the wine will numb the pain somewhat!

I'm not sure who else was running this weekend, but both Malcs and Sarah put in immense performances!

22/04/2013 at 12:23

Brilliant, Malcs! So pleased for you... And you are more than welcome for any help/advice you've had from me

Delighted to hear Sarah O has PBd too! Well done Sarah!

Thanks Ady - it was really enjoyable - thoroughly recommend signing up to the pacing team for next year 

22/04/2013 at 12:27
Malcs wrote (see)

Hi Sam, fantastic work on the pacing. You must be very pleased to get them round bang on time. And happy birthday too! Hope the hip sorts itself out.

I got round in 3:32:42 a PB by 26 mins! Still in shock

It's all been down to finding these forums and the help I've had at and following bootcamp. Thanks so much for your help and advice Sam and everyone else too.

Also a mention to physio Sarah for replying to my panic message a couple of days before the race.

Ady - following your progress here has been a massive help to me. I've got so much out of the process and not had any of the pressure you've had to deal with. Thanks again for all your help. 

 Oooooh stop it Malcs.......you're making a grown man blush! To be totally honest though, you should be giving yourself a huge pat on the shoulder....it was you that forced yourself to go out on the cold, wet, snowy horrible days. It was you that focused yourself on a return after illness and injury......and it was you that kept strong mentally when the going got tough in the latter stages on Sunday! Congratulations again.

It does help though knowing that you have a bunch of people waiting on your result to help keep you going in the race and help keep you focused! I knew when I was running Paris, in the latter stages, it wasn't just me I was going to let down by fading and not going sub 3:30, it was all the people here as well.

I've got no doubt that you will go even faster on a nicer flatter course and batter that 3:30 barrier. Started thinking when you may do this yet?

You should definitely bask in the blaze of your new PB for as long as Mrs. Malcs allows you! Hopefully we'll meet up at some race in the near future!

22/04/2013 at 12:39

Sam, that's very kind of you. I already feel like you've been advising me for years. My wife bought me your book (Marathon from Start to Finish) for my first marathon in 2009!

Boffy - many thanks indeed! What have you got planned next?

Ady - thanks again. The good thing is I can now focus on shaving a few minutes off rather than half an hour  I'm booked in for York in October so I think that I'll be giving that a go there. I had hoped to tailgate Sarah but she's out of my league

Good to hear your 24  miler went well. How did it compare to marathon training runs. How much did you walk as part of it and did that help?

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