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03/03/2005 at 22:42
God if I went home to my parents weighing 10st12, my parents would force-feed me pizza! :-))

I've nopticed I can lose quite a few pounds to dehydration too, particularly after a June half I did this year.

I'd prefer to be at least 12 stone (I don't just concentrate on running, I like having muscle tone too! :-) ). I guess this would mean I'd need a substantial improvement in aerobic fitness in order to carry the extra muscle and actually get faster. But if Torque can do it ... :-)
03/03/2005 at 22:47
I also have to say that I don't like gyms, I don't think machines that isolate your muscles do you any good in the long term. You never carry out any other physical task in isolation, so what are you training your muscles to do simple exercises for when in the real world it's all compound movements?

I'd rather do press-ups than bench pressing.

But I do agree that doing high-rep sets of low weights is the way to go ...
04/03/2005 at 00:17
I'm 5 10 and weigh in at 10st 7 in the morning.

A year ago I weighed in at 10st 4 and put the extra 3lbs down to carrying more glycogen as I'm more careful about being properly fuelled, and having more tone to my abs and upper body due to sit ups and press ups.

I dream about what times I could run at 10st 4 with my current level of fitness (5 secs/ mile quicker) but then, we don't want to give ourselves virtual times do we:))
04/03/2005 at 00:40
it does depend on natural build in part as well.

I was a rather heavier rugby playing wing threequarter (a sprinter!!) earlier in life with chest, shoulders and thighs to prove it.

Slimmed down slightly in those areas but I never worry about how much I weigh - it is simply a product of how I train. Do light weight reps even now to maintain body condition generally but no heavy lifting at all.
04/03/2005 at 11:17
Im around 5ft8 and weight is 9st7 in the mornings, not so sure that its so much the lower the weight the faster you run! I think its more down to how your fat to muscle ratio is.

The less body fat you have, the more leaner you are and should be quicker as a runner as well.

04/03/2005 at 11:21
Ah, but there must be an upper threshold of muscle mass above which your performance drops off?

9st7 is very light, I'm going to check some of tehse with a BMI calculator!
04/03/2005 at 11:28
Scobos is 20.6
Micksta is 20.2
BR is 21.1
I'm 21.5 (surprised it was so close to BR!)

At my goal weight of 12st I'd be 22.2.

wonder what the relationship is between BMI and PB's, as I'm not sure that Micksta is faster than BR or Scobos?
04/03/2005 at 11:29
Underweight Below 18.5
Normal 18.5 - 24.9
Overweight 25.0 - 29.9
Obesity 30.0 and Above
04/03/2005 at 12:13
I'm about 22.8 at 6'1.5". At my lightest about 14 months ago got down to about 22 which was 12stone and I don't think I could get much below that.

I sound like one of these lardy types saying that but I did have a couple of women at work enquire tactfully if I was anorexic at that so I must have heavy bones or something!

To be underweight on the calculation I'd be 10 stone - which is 2 stone under my lightest - I really wood be skeletal at that but I'm quite bony so it accentuates any weight loss - otherwise I might be tempted to try it.

The most I've been in my life was about 25 (14 stone) which was probably borderline overweight - I was still playing a lot of football so fairly fit apart from that.
04/03/2005 at 12:35

are you telling me I'm a freak?!!:)
04/03/2005 at 12:46
Not at all mate :-)

Especially since your BMI of 24.9 is "normal".
04/03/2005 at 12:55
phew - normal eh - not many peeps have called me that since returning to running!

04/03/2005 at 18:17
5'8" and 11:7 when I ran 57min for 10M.
According to the theory, I'd have been just over 50min if I were under 10st.
If/when I get to 9:7, Micksta, you will never see me after the first 1/2 mile... ;-)
05/03/2005 at 09:23
at 9.7 you'll be invisible anyway!!!
05/03/2005 at 09:48
05/03/2005 at 09:53
'kin ell best I have done is 10mile in 85 mins at 16 stone - will I ever reach you lot's times now I've started training properly?

Now 14 stone, restarted at similar pace:O)
05/03/2005 at 12:22
Hard to say Hoose, you can only try your best, once you start to see a trend in your race times, then you will have more of an idea as to what you can achieve.
05/03/2005 at 20:31

To be honest, im not really that clued up on the BMI readings etc. I know BR is slightly quicker than me at the moment on most distances, but my BMI reading was 20.2?? compared to BR who is 21-22, guess thats pretty much even stevens!


You have got to reach that weight first my friend! ;P

I think your find me more of a challenge come the Paddock Wood half, there have been various issues since christmas with my running and its now pretty much back on track! :)

05/03/2005 at 22:52
Panto, you'll have to cut down on the forum socials to get there!
16/03/2005 at 11:31
Hi all

Back now from skiing in the Trois Vallees :o) 1st time skiing having done some running prior, although I've been a ski addict for the last, ahem, 17 years.

Must say, I was stunned that the altitude didn't affect me at all this time, not even at 3000m - I didn't notice anything!!! (Ok, it WAS v. cold up there, -10 degrees, and the sun sooo strong, factor 60 wasn't enough). So, I can say that running has definitely improved the skiing.

I've no idea if skiing would have improved the running. Haven't tried that yet :o\ Did about 7 hours a day, lots of moguls to work the legs, 'cross-country' (I was passing people puffing and panting!) bits on flatter boulevard runs where you lose all momentum and top bombing speed about 60mph (sometimes with speed humps too), so I guess that constitutes speedwork :oD

So, would I be able to run faster now, what do you reckon? :o)
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