spen, enjoy the 15miler.
Inspired by someone asking about the 2.4k test, I had a look back at my log. I started hadding after an horrendous year of injury (2005), in desperation I turned to the Church of Hadd (Hallelujah!). I did my tests in the gym on the treadie with the gradient set to 1%. Here are my first 2: (The figs in brackets are the kph speeds and the HRav)
GYM - 2.4K TEST 8.8 90ISH 28/10/05
130 - 13:13 (11.3-11.0 / 129)
140 - 12:30 (12.0-11.4 / 140)
150 - 11:55 (12.3 / 148)
160 - 11:22 (13.0 / 156)
170 - 10:40 (13.8 / 164)
My training weekly mileage then went 46-56-59-71-62-77 (yes - I got a bit carried away!)
and the next 2.4k test went:
GYM - 2.4K TEST 8.8 90ISH 09/12/05
130 - 12:24 (11.9 / 126)
140 - 11:23 (13.0 / 135)
150 - 10:39 (13.7 / 146)
160 - 10:05 (14.5 / 155)
170 - 9:33 (15.5 / 164)
I carried on getting carried away and lost 2006 to injury. But..... 2007 was full of pb's.
Hope you find the stats interesting.
Keir - there are 10K races on 30th Dec and 27th Jan in Stratford
OR - I could go on a club run which is usually 6 miles - 10K. I haven't been for a while as I was going too fast trying to keep up with everyone and getting myself injured. My target pace is 9m/m to get under the 2 hours.
I'm trying to build up my 80% runs, increasing them by 10mins each week (40 mins at present) but I want to be careful and not overdo it.
Brian - haven't even attempted a 2.4k test - I'll leave it until after March HM when I've recovered - impressive improvement in just over 6 weeks.
Hi all great thread going on, read it every night when I get home from work.
Well as promised FWIW, my thoughts on HADDing the last year.
70% runs now easier over any distance 5-18 miles
Last years 10 mile race pace now 82% training runs.
Very little speed work gave me 55 sec BP on my 5k
Day 2 of P&D schedule today
Felt really good nice and fresh could have done another 10
I ran it by HR and dead chuffed as I felt better and better as the run went on
My actual max hr is 187 resting 48
Todays run 11 .5 miles
AVE HR 134 71.1% MAX 149
1 9.21 134 2 9.24 1353 9.33 1354 9.21 1365 9.23 1356 9.11 1337 9.04 1338 8.56 1339 8.50 13410 8.51 13511 8.59 13411.5 4.42 135
Roy - HADDlelujah
NN- nice steady figures (shouldn't you be Silent Night Nurse?)
Some would say...NOT so silent
Just had a look at your stats too BD brlliant improvement.....stick with it well done
Pressed wrong button then!
At the start of the year I did not race for 4 and a half months this allowed me to focus on Hadding, but started to get " no race fever ". In retrospect I feel that really helped me to get where I am today.
Consolidation before moving up a level.
Learned effort is the key, not pace per mile.
Confidence that Hadding gave me, made me feel stronger as the race progressed.
Adaption takes time, dont rush it, when its ready it will happen.
I stone lighter,dont know how that happened, because I am always eating.
Have not done any 85% training runs this year but I know/ believe that will bring me onto where I wont to be next year
Roy same here how very true I used to be obsessed by pace for long runs and used to run them at 9.20s with average hr of 80-81% now I a running them at sub 9.10s with ave hr of 71-73 %
I am not a stone lighter though...maybe be 5lbs or so though
Roy - I lost 1 stone over past 12 months and I'm eating loads as well.
Also as a reminder to everyone HADDing - the last paragraph from the HADD document helped bring me 'back into line' when I was thinking of doing some harder workouts:-
But what about “tempo” runs?I would suggest that only when you are capable of 10 miles at HRmarathon (without loss of pace) would you think about running at so-called “tempo” pace (marathon pace minus 12 secs/mile). Indeed you might then find the following paces ideal and find a regular place for both of them in your training (like Hinderloppet): a 10-mile run at Marathon pace + 5-10 secs/mile (aka 10k pace + 35-40 secs), and 4-5 miles at Marathon pace minus 12 secs/mile (aka 10k pace + 18-20 secs mile).Be patient. Do good work. And improvements will come.
Well only managed 12 miles. Was not dressed very well for pissing down rain and strong winds.
Spen, 12 miles in this weather is good. I am now in my R&R phase, prior to getting drunk phase that will last untill my, I can't go on like this phase, that preceeds back to running phase.
Life is just a circle of events.
Brian no the whole route is failry undulating, and pretty much evenly " hilled " for the want of a better word ..all the way round, I just felt so strong.. the conditions were for me near perfect too very light drizzle on no wind/ breeze at all
Spen if I had gone out much later the weather would have been more like it was for you run..so I was lucky
Ding Dong, Background is that I've always been pretty active and started running 'properly' when I stopped playing rugby. Was always reasonably quick at school but only ever did short stuff in athletics and left the long and the cross country to others. Did my first half marathon in 2004 (1:38 ish), my first marathon in 2005 (london 3:27). Subsequently got HM time down to 1:22 in 2007 and not really had a go at it since. Ran Manchester marathon this year in 3:12 using the 3 runs per week model. 5k pb is 18:00.
Why Hadd? Because I have been regularly injured and having got a place for VLM I wanted to try something different. I love technicalities of sport and having read the Hadd document I could see the sense in it. Being able to run up to 6 times per week without injury is unheard of for me. The slow paces have taken some getting used to.
My running in the last 6 weeks has been mixture of short 5-6 miles, medium 8-10 and long 13-16. Pretty much all of it has been 75% or below apart from the odd parkrun @80%. I was around or over 2 hrs about 5 times.
The 2.4k test results first time almost seem too good for where I was. I can certainly feel solid improvement and last Sunday's 16 miler was pretty consistent at 8:10-8:15 pace with approx 10 sec drift in miles 14-16.
Oh yes and I'm 46 with 184 max hr.
Sounds like you have put some thought into your training Hollers. Also, looking at your 5k to marathon conversion I would have thought HADD would be good for you. 3.12 is impressive on 3 runs per week. For interest, what was your highest weekly mileage and LSR in that build?
Keir highest weekly mileage was 38 and longest run was 22 miles although the book had only recommended 20. That run was done at MP+ 30secs so was quite demanding. The plan works on 1 interval session (brutal) one tempo (tough) and one long run per week. But there's another thread about it somewhere. It is just about the complete opposite of Hadd. I didn't use a HRM but must have spent most of my training time at 90%!
hollers, Keir is bang on, your conversion from 18min 5k is poor. But on the other hand 3.12 off 3 runs is magical. You obviously have potential. Hadd will help you achieve that. Good luck with it.
AtD, keep at it matey. Your building gradually which is very sensible.
10.8k on the treadie this morning with 10x(400@12kph, 400@16kph+).
After 3.2 k warm-up, I started at 16 and notched up 0.1 kph every 400. Was tempted to make the last one 17, but OCD kept me at 16.9kph. Felt hard on the legs but HRmax was relatively low at 172.
Sick today. Head cold. Decided to abandon all running and have extra time in bed. Never have I been so happy to hear the rain lashing down outside when I finally woke up. But I have made myself feel better by eating 6 mincepies this morning, and the School Xmas lunch is later, so I am getting in fuel ready for my next run.
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