HADD training plan

andy the deestrider - GO FOR IT!!

I'm sure all HADDers on this forum wish you every success. Keep on the thread and keep us informed. Brilliant - I wish I was 30 years younger (mind you I still couldn't get anywhere near your times)

GOOD LUCK

Andy,  No pressure. you qualifiy, I will come and support you.

Good luck Mr Deestrider.  Really hope you do it.

Mace, nice run yesterday and good totals for the week, looks like you're enjoying P&D

Spen, I'm sure the fitness will return soon

Roy, That is awesome, a faster time for a lower HR

Chick, Hope the hip is ok

VT, good mileage of a couple of runs, if I was a little quicker I would get a few more in, but I supose it's all about time on your feet.

AGF, was that before or after the run that your legs felt good

Brian, encouraging that the calf appears to be settling down,

 60 minute run for me this evening, didn't enjoy it today, just could relax at all, I suspect I was worrying about pace/HR to much,

Stats for the Run

 5.42 61mins @ 11:23 avgHR135(71%)

Andy i'm with Roy on this one will also come and support you mate if you qualify !!

Did 7miles yesterday @ 75% getting better 8.35 mm avg..

Resting today as don't want to get over confident and injured so just a bit of x - training !

Have a good day Hadders !!

Oh by the way spoke to my brother in law the other day, he's got a charity place for London.  He smokes like a trooper and does'nt run, think he's going to just do a few runs and run it no problem ! 

JohnnyBike wrote (see)

Over the last couple of days I have gone over the last 30 pages of messages and I see a number of things

• The camaraderie of the thread
• The knowledge contained within the forum members who contribute
• The willingness to help virgin Hadders

Personally I am always happy to help virgins! Run Wales - have you read both of these: HADD1  HADD 2 (cover to cover 5 - 6 times!) 

Ashman, I guess he will have a bit more respect for what you do after he finishes!

Spen - what was the ND50 like? Was it the first or 2nd half of the 100 course? It is local to me and a few club mates are doing the 100. I was vaguely thinking about the 50.

I'm still ticking away nicely under HADD. I'm skipping the 83% stuff and going straight from 80% to 85% (as this was the ave HR % from my previous best marathons). Starting this week with 11m inc 4m @ 85% on Friday. 

All of my other runs are currently between 70 - 75% and I hit 74miles last week, which is the most for a while. One of the best runs was on Sunday where I did 15m in just under 2 hours. Flat along the foggy seafront. First 7.5m @ 8.12m/m - 130bpm ave (69%) Return 7.5m @ 7.22m/m - 141bpm (74%). Nice to stretch out the legs a little on the homeward journey. 

Andy: Go for it, mate. Best of luck! You live like a proper aflete already anyway

Keir: impressive mileage for early Jan! Remind me again when is your next marathon?

ashman wrote (see)

Oh by the way spoke to my brother in law the other day, he's got a charity place for London.  He smokes like a trooper and does'nt run, think he's going to just do a few runs and run it no problem ! 

 - he'll ride that hurt train pretty hard from 10 miles onwards (if not earlier) ... OUCH!!

Bit of a revelation run for me this morning. I had a glass of vino too many (yeah, I know, I know -- only 6 days in and already smash bang off the wagon ) so the concept of an 80% run in the pouring rain held no appeal at all. Instead I opted for a nice easy run where I didn't check my watch. Ended up with 10 miles @ 8:53 pace and an av. HR of 124 (68%). That's some serious improvement over the past couple of weeks. In November and December I would need around 75% for that pace. Even better: after about 4k (warmup) the splits were rock solid and the HR didn't bugde.

Nice HADDing folks

Stewart - yes, i am enjoying P&D and at the moment every week is a record week so it's a good challenge. I was a bit nervous to begin with but it seems to be working with me ... i feel after every run that i've had a good session without feeling totally done in and i'm thankful of the recovery runs when they come along and do run them at proper recovery pace and am ready to go the next day. So i think overall i'm coping nicely so far and have my paces/intensity pretty much spot on.

Re your comment on not enjoying today's run, i'm sure that's the stress of trying to keep HR down and i've felt exactly the same way in the past. When you're fightng to keep the HR down to 70%, or whatever your ceiling is, at the end of a long run and there's a bit of disappointment when you can't quite do it  I think that psychologically, that makes a run feel harder than it really is when in the scheme of things it shouldn't really matter.

Andy - another one here prepared to support if you qualify, would be fantastic !! And as Brian said, what kudos for our thread

Week 5 P&D, day 1 = 9M inc 5M @ HM pace ... can't say i was desperate to go on this after 18M on Sunday but it felt ok, and not as hard as the last one which was only 4M. Not sure on HR as my Garmin's at home, but it was around 83% @ 7:15 ish

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Keir: impressive mileage for early Jan! Remind me again when is your next marathon?

Bit of a revelation run for me this morning. I had a glass of vino too many 

VLM 21st April. I had a week off work so was able to get the mileage in relatively easily. The next few weeks should be in the mid 50s. 

Have you considered Porridge or perhaps Jam on toast as an alternative breakfast Chick? 

Keir - nice mileage, did you do the 15 along the sea wall from F to H and back ? Lovely run if so  My long run at the weekend was round the coast and half the time i couldn't work out where i was what with all the bays round my way and with the mist coming off the sea

Chick - great improvement, vino must be the answer

Ashman - blimey, like Chick says he's asking for trouble. To be honest, before i started running i thought that to run a Marathon would be "difficult" .... i think "difficult" would be a very big under-statement and it's not something to be sniffed at even with a decent level of training.

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chickadeee wrote (see)

Keir: impressive mileage for early Jan! Remind me again when is your next marathon?

Bit of a revelation run for me this morning. I had a glass of vino too many 

Have you considered Porridge or perhaps Jam on toast as an alternative breakfast Chick? 

Yeap Mace. Started at 7am at the Grand (Folkestone HM start) then out to Hythe, over the green and out along the canal for a couple of miles before returning and finishing at the bottom of the steps to walk up to the Grand (so missed the final 2 miles of the HM inc big hill ). Misty all day, but it was just starting to clear at 9 when I left Folkestone. Unfortunately it never cleared at all where I live. 

What is your target Marathon time? 5m @ 7.15m/m PMP this time of year is good.

Impressive mileage for 2013 so far Andy. 

chick, lovely when that happens. Every now and again you get that "could run all day" run. Congrats on another corner turned. Sub9s for 68% is impressive! Those 80% runs are going to get harder on the legs! Do you do any S&C stuff?

mace, good P&Ding. 5miles at HM pace (tempo) is a tough run! The training is definitely agreeing with you. Make sure you do the recoveries at a very easy pace.

Keir - what mileage - bl***y h**l I wish I had the time to do that.

Ashman - perhaps your brother in law could talk my brother in law in to doing the same - I could do with a laugh.

Chickadee - don't worry your'e not the only one!! New Years Eve I thought it would be a really good idea to dance to 'Baggy Trousers' - it wasn't! Excellent improvement - this HADD stuff really works.

Anyone doing the Vyrnwy Half this year? - I fancy entering.

Sidelined from running at the moment - funny how getting a niggle suddenly makes you twitchy and thinking - boy I just want to be out there running. Then after a couple of days you suddenly realise that the reason (I) started running was for enjoyment - so relax and let the healing take place and hopefully come back stronger and wiser.

Tempted Brian?

Kier - The NDW50 is the first half of the course.  Its a long way but I did not find the terrain that challenging.   Apart from Box Hill no real lung busters.   It maybe because I did a lot of running in North Wales and in Shropshire were the terrain is more challenging.

Good luck with your challenges AtD - I am sure you will achieve what you want to do.

Dr Dan, I am going to enter that sometime soon - I think Brian fancies something even flatter (maybe in the Netherlands?). Of course he might be scared of coming 3rd to the pair of us (not that we would win the race of course) but taking down Brian might be better than that