slowrunningman , background was football , not much in the way of running apart from the Great North Run 5 years ago, but i have gone from 0 miles a week to 40 in 6 weeks and there is no aches or pains anymore. Did 75 minutes today and could have done it again so something is working , as 5 weeks ago 3-4 mile was a killer at slow pace ........ But i am only 3 weeks into hadd training as the previous 3 weeks of running was just to get out there and run hard , then i found this thread and decided to give it a go loving it though.
cheers for the encouragment , time is on my side gonna do the hadd programme for at least 5 months from beginning of november till the end of march, as i dont have a strong running background like some people .
Hi Guys... Completed another decent mileage week, it looks like I'll be completing around 160ish miles this month, which is remarkable as my previous best was 123 in Sept, and 114 in July... I use the word remarkable, as I would expect a lot more fatigue and soreness in the legs....
Have I seen any improvement???? Well, on the 6th Nov, I did a 90min run at 9.07mp with AHR 131, on the 13th Nov I did a 90min at 9.00mp with AHR 131.... Todays aim was 15min at 130, 70min at 140, 15min at 130.... What I achieved was,15min at 9.05mp AHR 125, 70min at 8.11mp AHR 135, 15min at 9.10mp AHR 130...... Improvement.... Would like to think so, but what I am finding is, I've got myself into a rut of churning out 130HR miles, but like today when trying to up the session found it very differcult to achieve... Anyone else find that????
A few good results, and a few knocking on the door. As somebody as already stated, with the Hadd stuff the improvement does appear to happen almost overnight. So keep at it, remain patient, and as long as you remain comfortable, and the runs are generally long enough, the adaptations will occur.
Hills - What I tend to do is when I venture out for the session I have a target HR in mind (what I want to average), and also the HR I want to stay below (max for the session). Try and avoid the steep hills as this will affect the stats, and it will be difficult to maintain the average (low HR) for the run.When going up hill, try and run as comfortably as possible. Try and stick to below your target max HR, and If you allow yourself another 10 beats say, for the uphills, then allow your HR to decrease by 10 beats on the downhills, therefore maintaining your HRav. This is not easy and will take practice, but it is possible, so don't get disillusioned if you struggle at first.
I don't know about the others but this is what i plan to do. I've ot run for ages injury plus a few other problems. so i plan to start running easy (my base is trashed) for a good few months. I don't think speed is a issue (im ot quick by any means and my runs will be slow) just might mean you cover less miles than the fast guys but thats no problem.
When i did this before i only did up to 40ish miles a week and did quite well out of it. ot quite the 50+ of others
So i'm hoping to get back shortly build up runs will be short at first walk if ecessary but soon once you (i) can manage short runs you can build from there
Something i've not seen mentionned in this thread apologies if it has but Hadd did mention doing alactic strides even in the base phase. These are short strides less than 10 seconds i plan on doing these again as well
sneglen - it's fine if you are doing a walk/run routine as you should be able to keep your HR fairly steady and low doing that.
Pammie - I've never done any strides
Funny Hat - running into a headwind is the toughest of all conditions when using a HRM.
Shades, thats what I thought !! Really enjoyed my running yesterday and feel great today . Off tomorrow so will go out and see how it goes.
I have re-read the Hadd document and not been able to find strides in the training. IDID although find a 200/200 session, 200m alternating hard (5kpace?) and easy pace. I think this didn't get mentioned till week 6 though. I am guessing its probably thrown in for leg speed more than anything, and also to relieve any boredom?
Pammie, think you're merging Lydiard with Hadd. Which incidentally I have done in my training schedules, and can't really be a bad thing!!!!!???
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I have re-read the Hadd document and not been able to find strides in the training. IDID although find a 200/200 session, 200m alternating hard (5kpace?) and easy pace. I think this didn't get mentioned till week 6 though. I am guessing its probably thrown in for leg speed more than anything, and also to relieve any boredom?Discuss?
No not thinking lydiard alactic strides were mentioned in the big thread on lets run sadly now deleted so can't show you the source. Remember the document(s) doing the rounds are just a edited version of that big thread (well there were 2 big threads on the subject
I certainly wouldn't do any further than 200m. Any further than that and you will start to build lactic acid, and then this will bring on more fatigue, thus defeating the object of the sub-lactate threshold running.
Pammie, Yes I remember the thread. Happy with the strides as part of the Hadd schedule. Use them as a form reminder. Smoothly accelerate over 60-80m, focus on staying relaxed and reasonably upright, whilst pumping the arms and lifting the knees to emphasise good technique. I use these as part of the warm-up prior to a track / interval session.
Alright Laureate33.... Speaking as a ex-squaddie, you want to compete to the best of your ability, its what we were taught in training...... But with Christmas, New year, The Navy "Gun Run" and the intense training that requires, and then all the spam's you end up getting dicked for, I would decide now to go out and just enjoy the marathon, even think about running with the wife (but make sure your in front of her at the end, otherwise you'll never hear the end of it)...... And if you enjoy it, then pick another one were you can devote the training that a hard marathon requires....
All the best in what you decide.....
Hi Guys.... Came across this thread last night so haven't read most of it.... It appears to be John Hadd and Antonio Cabral having a email conversation back in Feb 2008.....
It would be good to know what the regular HADD'ers view's on it..........
Best Hadd run yet today, cool and gentle breeze and 7.5 miles in 71mins with an average of 126bpm. Going to take a day off and do some core work tomorrow and then do a Max HR test on either Thursday or Friday so I can make sure the HR limits are as correct as they can be.
Thanks for the link BN74, can't possibly read all of that now, it'll have to wait until I'm in work tomorrow.
Welcome Laurette33, hope you're enjoying the hard life in Naples. On a nice little 3 year tour myself in Germany and just waiting for the snow to start falling.
SRM.... Had 17 years in Germany myself, when they had real winters...... Thats bringing a tear to my eye....
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