HADD training plan

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07/02/2013 at 11:08

Ok Ill stick with the Parker system and provide up dates on progress, hopefully the same result just a slightly different approach - ever so slightly!

Have any of you incorporated other things, Im doing Yoga twice a week which I'll cut back to one/week in a couple of months.

What Yoga has shown me is Im the most inflexible person on the planet!

Anything esle that compliments heart rate training well   ...diet thoughts etc?

Is there a better time of the day for you to run on this system   ..does HR naturally increase later in the day or is morning harder.

Any hints and tips appreciated!

07/02/2013 at 13:40

Lee - Read this and this for a HADD overview. 

07/02/2013 at 14:30

Hi Kier, cannot open the second 'this'

07/02/2013 at 15:54

Lee - I posted the same earlier - it is the HADD document - see earlier link from me

p132 - 9:39am

Edited: 07/02/2013 at 15:55
07/02/2013 at 16:06

After speedwork on Monday, 10miles Tuesday, Hills yesterday, I tentatively joined in with my mates tempo run. Flabergasted to run my fastest pace ever on the towpath!

7miles incl 15mins at 5:59 pace, HRav 160 (86.5%)

Only time I have tempo'd at this pace before is on the track!

Don't know where that came from!!!!!!

07/02/2013 at 16:29

Bl**dy H**l Brian - turbo charged mega blast

with envy

When is the next race? - looks like your pumping yourself up for it

07/02/2013 at 19:54
BeDe, cheers. Strictly speaking next race is Sunday Liversedge HM. But given the fact that I am boozing all day Saturday, it may not "happen". I'll be there but it might get messy. Next target is Thirsk 10m 24th March.

4m recovery tonight at 8.23 pace.
07/02/2013 at 21:15

Well done Brian! That must have felt awesome.

I'm shelved at the moment. Got some tendonitis at the base of my right shin (in the front). Have had this before and can usually run through it. Decided that with my big work project concluding over the next week that I'd just rest and heal. I haven't really taken a break from the training since September (basically just ramping more and more since returning from injury). I think this counts as my offseason. Anyway, will cool it until next week and hopefully doing the smart thing (resting for once in my life instead of pushing until it gets worse) will do the trick.

Happy hadding everyone.

Edited: 07/02/2013 at 21:15
07/02/2013 at 21:26

Brian ref treadmill running and bad back, I changed from racing  to road shoes and the problem has gone away, what shoes do you use on the treadmill?

Sonds as if your training is going well.

07/02/2013 at 22:07

So my update today.  I was doing a less than 70% WHR [John Parker system] so I have to keep below 145.  Ive had to walk all hills to date and quite a bit of level running too.  So today had a 4 miler and picked a route along the Grand Union canal.

It was flat but I didnt come near to walking once  ... I occasionally went over 145 but only once to 147 and about 6 times to 146  ..slowing down worked very quickly as my heart rate dropped back quickly.

It felt slow still but it felt more like running than walking  ...it was still a jog and a slow one at that but it didnt look like someone had just taken the zimmer away!

Average time per mile is now less than 11.30 which sounds pathetic [I have a sub 7.20/mile pace!] but the best Ive had so far is 12.40!  Some have been into 13 [when facing hills!].

It was actually enjoying it which is a first for these base level runs.  I need to hang on to this progress so I remain committed and motivated so feeling happier,

08/02/2013 at 08:48

Lee - try the second 'this' again. It worked when I clicked on it. 

08/02/2013 at 11:57

VT, A break will refresh the mind too. Hope the niggle is history in a few days.

Roy, No I don't wear racers at all. I do have some hybrid type shoes (saucony kinvarra) which I reserve for racing and tempoing. I use my normal trainers on the treadie. I've gone back in the gym, and hoping that with more stretching and TLC the back eases. It is slightly better this week.

Lee, good on yer!

08/02/2013 at 12:01

Good work Lee - my times when starting at 137bpm (75% MaxHR) were the same

146 -147bpm for me would be an 80% run on the HADD system which I only started after building the base at 75%. Did you manage to downlaod the HADD document? Really is worth reading.

Edited: 08/02/2013 at 13:00
08/02/2013 at 13:45

Lee - here are two charts to compare the MaxHR that HADD uses and WHR system using the resting HR (yours at 55). Not sure if the calclation method is the same as inyour book so I don't want to confuse it but it's interesting to see the difference. Both have maximum HR at 183

HADD using MaxHR




Edited: 08/02/2013 at 13:46
11/02/2013 at 10:35

LSR on Sunday - freezing, rained all the way round and hands felt like they were going to drop off. At 8 miles I thought "b******s to this I've had enough of being drowned from a great height" and decided to up the pace for the last 2 miles. Surprisingly HR did not jump that much for the faster pace.

Dist    Split     Avg. HR         Time       Elev. chg.
1.00    10:28    142 (77%)    0:10:28    +8
2.00    10:28    136 (74%)    0:20:56    -5
3.00    10:17    138 (75%)    0:31:14    +60
4.00    10:07    138 (75%)    0:41:21    -59
5.00    10:36    138 (75%)    0:51:58    +17
6.00    10:19    139 (75%)    1:02:17    +20
7.00    10:28    141 (77%)    1:12:46    -44
8.00    10:29    142 (77%)    1:23:15    +11
9.00    10:08    141 (77%)    1:33:23    -1
10.00    9:47    146 (79%)    1:43:11    +11

11/02/2013 at 10:57

Hi BeDe - yeah thanks for the charts it would seem that my recovery rate is slightly higher than using the HADD approach.  Im sticking with Parkers approach as Ive started now and seems little point chaning in week 3 of my plan now.

Whats your resting pulse?  if its similar to mine we can compare notes!

I did notice that raising speed is not strongly correlated to rising heart rate, increasinmg by say 10bpm on a run is quite hard and triring, the nearer you get to max!


Edited: 11/02/2013 at 10:57
11/02/2013 at 13:41

Resting HR is 48

11/02/2013 at 14:35

Resting HR can change from day to day,   So i dont think it is much point using it.

11/02/2013 at 15:46

spen71 - I tend to agree which is why I use HADD MaxHr. However I have found on checking first thing when I wake up that it doesn't change that much unless you are overtraining, which does affect it. If you take measurements at different times of the day then it will be all over the place. Only put it up there as Lee was asking - he is using different system than HADD. Anyway HADD uses MaxHr so I agree it is not an issue if following HADD

11/02/2013 at 16:14
Edited: 11/02/2013 at 16:15
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