VT - great news !!
BeDe - maybe your body's telling you to take a bit of a break ?
Chick - Hi !!! You're right, i had every intention of doing my 14 MLR this morning based on HR ( having done a V02 session yesterday) but P&D got the better of HADD and i ended up running progressive without realising it. It's becoming ingrained i think and will take some discipline when i go back to my old buddy HADD.
VT glad all is well.
Moved forward by one week my unloading period due to a sore throat. Tried a 5 miler at 71% today and apart from feeling stiff all seems well.
Great stuff, VT! Happy to hear everything is alright roy: hope you beat those pesky bugs. Hi mace . I canned my VO2 sesh this week . I have a bunch of niggles that I can just about control with high mileage "normal" running. Scared about those reps setting off something ...
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Lost mojo at the moment - training has dropped right off (was only 25 - 30m per week anyway). V.Busy at present and lifestyle not conducive to getting some miles in. Will have to start getting some discipline back - does anyone else feel the same after a race??
Lost mojo at the moment - training has dropped right off (was only 25 - 30m per week anyway). V.Busy at present and lifestyle not conducive to getting some miles in.
Will have to start getting some discipline back - does anyone else feel the same after a race??
Yep, I usually struggle with mojo after a major race effort. Take it easy. Your body will tell you when you are ready again. I call it itchy feet OK, 2nd MLR of the week d&d. 15 miles. Tough conditions (snow, wind, cold). But happy with the outcome. I think I was right in assuming that 83% of max. HR would equate MP . Never got to try it during one of those HADD MP runs as my HRM was playing up and it took me a while to get it replaces.Here's the geeky bit 15 miles - split into 6 chunks of 2.5 alternating steady/MP/steady/MP etc
w/u 8:24 127 70%MP: 7:40 142 78%steady: 8:04 142 70%MP: 7:42 146 80%steady: 8:08 142 78%MP: 7:42 149 82%c/d: 8:19 140 77%
chickadee - fantastic stats - luv them
Keep up the good work - Im hoping my feet will start itching again next week
thanks I made a typo though .... the 1st steady bit was av. 140 - 77%
Im sure it'll come back BeDe Im in week 2 of no running with Achilles problems and Im desparate to get back out there - though its snowy at the mo.
Hi all have done a couple of Hadd style runs this week but have had a huge difficulty with my HR staying steady (especially after particularly challenging days at work) so have also done a couple of faster paced runs, ignoring my HR.
However today I managed a LSR of 13.5 miles with my HR averaging 140bpm which is about 72% of my max HR.
As my HR appears so much higher then everyone else's on here I decided to do a few hill repeats yesterday to give me a better idea of what my Max HR- my HR after 3 hills was 193bpm, I couldn't do anymore as the snow was getting too heavy and the underfoot conditions were deteriorating fast. So for those in the know does this sound about right?
As I have a HM 2 weeks today I feel that for my own peace of mind that I need to do a couple of runs at race pace in the lead up. After this I can concentrate a bit more on Hadding as my next race is the Bewl 15 miler in July (I do have a 10k in May but I want to concentrate on longer distances - so am not worried about that one)
Lisa - Im no expert but MaxHR can vary quite a bit, mine is 183, my wife's is 163. In John Parkers book he suggests a fresh pair of legs eg after a rest day and hill repeeats of 4 or more as your HR does continue to rise.
Im interested in the physiology of the debate earlier - is there any evidence to suggest that Lactic acid 'damages' the mitochondria in the slow twitch muscle ie is there a trade off somewhere. Anyone know?
Lactic acid damages muscles fibres (acidosis) ... so there is indeed a trade-off between aerobic development and high intensity training, as I mentioned earlier.
10.3 slushy/icey/muddy miles yesterday on the towpath out on the west side of Leeds and another 8 miles today on the nice new tarmac canal tow-path in central Leeds. Cold ... roll on spring!
Thanks Dr D, was just wondering if there was more out there covering this subject and how this impacts training etc. I found this link on wikipedia regarding lactic acidosis
Interesting that this is - lactic acidosis - is the first stage of rigormortis ...makes sense!
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Thanks Dr D, was just wondering if there was more out there covering this subject and how this impacts training etc. I found this link on wikipedia regarding lactic acidosis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactic_acidosis Interesting that this is - lactic acidosis - is the first stage of rigormortis ...makes sense!
Crikey 15 frozen miles this morning with 10 @ sub LT. Very happy to average 7:49 (bang on MP) and 82% of max. Yeah, whatever happened to spring?????
Mojo back - started running (well plodding) again yesterday - hurrah!!
Explains what happened on my 1st marathon I was suffering from rigormortiis, felt like I was dieing at the time.
BeDe due to the detrimental effect of speed work on HADD training I dont run over 85% MHR
for the first 4 months of the year, just focusing on 70%-85% efforts.
BeDe - glad youre back in the swing of things - mightily jealous as Im on day 17 of NO training!! Arrrgggh - completely driving me nuts Im restricted to swimming [boring!] and walking [tooo slow].
However achilles is feeling better and the new inner soles now feel good.
Im going to 'run through' the 3 trailblazer 10k's at the end of May early June with absolutely no eye on any times. So I'll start at the back of one of the sub55 groups and jog round keeping a low HR. I will be starting HADD proper about then for the rest of the year and maybe do the odd parkrun just to feel part of things.
new target - run 15miles by end of year with avgHR of less than 75% doing an even pace of less than 10min/miles.
Lee - really horrible having injuries, my sympathies.
New target sounds good - by sticking to HADD at less than 75% you should be injury free (depending on mileage of course). Certainly helped me when I decided I'd had enough of muscle pulls.
HADD aside if I may - does anyone else have big problems with a Garmin HR? Mine just seems to be stupid with readings of 230+ spikes and then seems to stay high all the way round - I stop and take manual so i know its wrong. Yet when i first had it (16mths ago) it was fine. Fortunately I've put enough hours in at different paces to know what I should be running at for a given HR.
Do people think they are just part of the cost of running and in this throwaway world we live in and just replace it every 12 months??
yeah sounds like a rouse by Garmin - bet it wasn't cheap! I have a polar f2 which was 30 quid and does the job if a bit basic as I dont get the mileage breakdown etc. I'll probably go with a polar HR strap and hook it up to my iPhone app at some point.
Unfortunately my injury wasnt because of high mileage or hard sessions. I saw 2 - yes 2! - physio's when I started and they both told me my gait was neutral and I wouldnt need any special support etc. The third one told me I over pronate and asked why was I running in the shoes I had bought - she was bordering on being quite cross with me!
I have lumps [scare tissue] on my achilles and I doomed to wearing something with a heel at all times for the rest of my days.
Im really not happy! I went to the physio's rather than a shop because I thought Id get a non bias answer - didn't expect to get a completely wrong one twice!
I'm afraid I view most advice from physios with a large dollop of sceptisism.
Run with good(ish) form ... wear light-weight shoes ... and don't over-train! Simple. Well, except the last bit.
I've given up using my HRM at the moment ... they just don't behave in very cold weather. They need sweat ... and I can't sweat in this weather unless I run faster (and of course I don't want to). So at the moment my running is based in easy/recover pace as judged by perceived effort. The HRM will make a return when/if spring ever comes.
The best way to make HRM's work is to use that contact gel stuff, but it gets messy, so spit can do the job and is easier! I use the Polar H7 strap and the many times I forget to wet the strap, I always get silly results in the first few k's. Really annoying, but at least I still get a good indication when looking at the charts for the rest of the run
Spit is a good way to get started (in fact pretty essential) ... but without some sweat generation it soon dries up and the silly readings kick in.
mmmm KY jelly - I knew it would come in handy sometime
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