NN: This whole training malarkey is very confusing. Perhaps it's not too clever mixing 2 different training plans But I like the HADD approach - I think it's really working for me. When I did P&D on its own I was simply running too fast. I feel a lot more in control with HADD.
I've been absent for a while due to work stuff and some travel. I took yet another trip...this time to Santa Monica with my wife (she had a meeting so for once I got to tag along). I found a 10 mile bike path along some of the most beautiful beaches I've seen. Logged 50 miles in 5 days and had a couple of holy shit moments. My fitness is slamming into me right now since getting some better rest and more consistent weeks put in.
Picked up a copy of P&D on the trip and read it through. I'm thinking this might be a good, structured plan to follow for a fall marathon (keep hadding with 1 80% run per week until then). I'm torn though as the 55 mile plan doesn't sound quite enough while the 70 mile may be too much. Might have to walk between the 2.
And I finally went in for a colonoscopy (remember I had been passing blood around christmas...happened at the conclusion of a 70 mile week after a long run). Well, all was completely normal and the doc said it was likely ischemia to the colon. Apparently he's seen this pretty commonly among distance runners. I'm relieved that all is well down there and also to know it's probably not a big deal if happens every once and a while. He said if it happened with high frequency I'd have to cut my miles.
Good news VT!
VT - relief!!
Lost mojo at the moment - training has dropped right off (was only 25 - 30m per week anyway). V.Busy at present and lifestyle not conducive to getting some miles in.
Will have to start getting some discipline back - does anyone else feel the same after a race??
VT - great news !!
BeDe - maybe your body's telling you to take a bit of a break ?
Chick - Hi !!! You're right, i had every intention of doing my 14 MLR this morning based on HR ( having done a V02 session yesterday) but P&D got the better of HADD and i ended up running progressive without realising it. It's becoming ingrained i think and will take some discipline when i go back to my old buddy HADD.
VT glad all is well.
Moved forward by one week my unloading period due to a sore throat. Tried a 5 miler at 71% today and apart from feeling stiff all seems well.
Great stuff, VT! Happy to hear everything is alright roy: hope you beat those pesky bugs. Hi mace . I canned my VO2 sesh this week . I have a bunch of niggles that I can just about control with high mileage "normal" running. Scared about those reps setting off something ...
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Lost mojo at the moment - training has dropped right off (was only 25 - 30m per week anyway). V.Busy at present and lifestyle not conducive to getting some miles in. Will have to start getting some discipline back - does anyone else feel the same after a race??
Yep, I usually struggle with mojo after a major race effort. Take it easy. Your body will tell you when you are ready again. I call it itchy feet OK, 2nd MLR of the week d&d. 15 miles. Tough conditions (snow, wind, cold). But happy with the outcome. I think I was right in assuming that 83% of max. HR would equate MP . Never got to try it during one of those HADD MP runs as my HRM was playing up and it took me a while to get it replaces.Here's the geeky bit 15 miles - split into 6 chunks of 2.5 alternating steady/MP/steady/MP etc
w/u 8:24 127 70%MP: 7:40 142 78%steady: 8:04 142 70%MP: 7:42 146 80%steady: 8:08 142 78%MP: 7:42 149 82%c/d: 8:19 140 77%
chickadee - fantastic stats - luv them
Keep up the good work - Im hoping my feet will start itching again next week
thanks I made a typo though .... the 1st steady bit was av. 140 - 77%
Im sure it'll come back BeDe Im in week 2 of no running with Achilles problems and Im desparate to get back out there - though its snowy at the mo.
Hi all have done a couple of Hadd style runs this week but have had a huge difficulty with my HR staying steady (especially after particularly challenging days at work) so have also done a couple of faster paced runs, ignoring my HR.
However today I managed a LSR of 13.5 miles with my HR averaging 140bpm which is about 72% of my max HR.
As my HR appears so much higher then everyone else's on here I decided to do a few hill repeats yesterday to give me a better idea of what my Max HR- my HR after 3 hills was 193bpm, I couldn't do anymore as the snow was getting too heavy and the underfoot conditions were deteriorating fast. So for those in the know does this sound about right?
As I have a HM 2 weeks today I feel that for my own peace of mind that I need to do a couple of runs at race pace in the lead up. After this I can concentrate a bit more on Hadding as my next race is the Bewl 15 miler in July (I do have a 10k in May but I want to concentrate on longer distances - so am not worried about that one)
Lisa - Im no expert but MaxHR can vary quite a bit, mine is 183, my wife's is 163. In John Parkers book he suggests a fresh pair of legs eg after a rest day and hill repeeats of 4 or more as your HR does continue to rise.
Im interested in the physiology of the debate earlier - is there any evidence to suggest that Lactic acid 'damages' the mitochondria in the slow twitch muscle ie is there a trade off somewhere. Anyone know?
Lactic acid damages muscles fibres (acidosis) ... so there is indeed a trade-off between aerobic development and high intensity training, as I mentioned earlier.
10.3 slushy/icey/muddy miles yesterday on the towpath out on the west side of Leeds and another 8 miles today on the nice new tarmac canal tow-path in central Leeds. Cold ... roll on spring!
Thanks Dr D, was just wondering if there was more out there covering this subject and how this impacts training etc. I found this link on wikipedia regarding lactic acidosis
Interesting that this is - lactic acidosis - is the first stage of rigormortis ...makes sense!
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Thanks Dr D, was just wondering if there was more out there covering this subject and how this impacts training etc. I found this link on wikipedia regarding lactic acidosis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactic_acidosis Interesting that this is - lactic acidosis - is the first stage of rigormortis ...makes sense!
Crikey 15 frozen miles this morning with 10 @ sub LT. Very happy to average 7:49 (bang on MP) and 82% of max. Yeah, whatever happened to spring?????
Mojo back - started running (well plodding) again yesterday - hurrah!!
Explains what happened on my 1st marathon I was suffering from rigormortiis, felt like I was dieing at the time.
BeDe due to the detrimental effect of speed work on HADD training I dont run over 85% MHR
for the first 4 months of the year, just focusing on 70%-85% efforts.
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