For what it's worth, I upgraded from a Polar RS400 to the Garmin 910XT last winter. The Polar was great for HR and I liked their software, but I had to wear this bulky footpod to get distance (and the accuracy of the footpod changed as I changed pace). THe footpod ran on AAA batteries and only lasted ~ 20 hrs and always seemed to run out in mid-run. The 910 is very consistent with distance readings regardless of pace. The reason I got the 910 over the 610 was due to its 20 hr battery life. Also, you can use a footpod with the 910 indoors and its tiny and has a several hundred hr battery life. I like the 910 over 610 because of its large screen as well. The negative on the 910 is mainly that it cannot deliver an accurrate instant pace reading during runs (unless you run a 7 min pace or faster). That was big deal when I first got the watch, but now when I run I only have the HR showing so I don't bother with pace at any given time.
When I want to check pace, I use lap pace. Much more accurate than current pace. It tends to be pretty reliable when more than 200m into the lap.
Hammy feels much better today after yesterdays rest day. Looking forward to the lunchtime run.
Brian - thanks, i'll have a play around. Not got up to 2 sub LT sessions yet, have only ever done the one on a Weds ( sometimes Thurs ), hence that's my longer mid week run. Wouldn't 2 x 70 mins be too much quality going by the 20% max guideline ? Or would i do say 50mins with 20w/u + 20c/d ? Good luck with the run, hope the hammy holds up.
atd - i've played around with all sorts of combinations of HR, pace, time, distance data. Last 2 runs i've got distance and time only and run to feel which has worked out well as i've seldom looked at the watch. You're right, it takes away some enjoyment as you become a slave to the stats.
mace, I think you would step back up to 1 80% run initially. And then as you become comfortable with that week, maybe increase the 2nd run but gradually.
You may start off running 60mins at 75%, increasing to 70 at 75%. The you might want to increase run 1 to 83% (I find that this pace roughly equates to my current marathon pace).
I think running 2 x (90mins with 70mins@80%) is tough, but it's not too tough. As long as these are the only runs faster than easy (or recovery) pace.
The other alternative would be to leave the 2nd 90min run as easy, and put some quality into the long run, by either making it progressive, or adding some 80% stuff in the middle.
Food for thought.....
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DrDan, effort days are normally Tuesday/Thursday. But with the 3 of us that drive the sessions bring in recovery month, the runs will be watered down I imagine. It would be good to meet up though.
Nice one. My effort days tend to be Tues & Fri, so I might catch you on a Tuesday once Abbey Dash is done ... I have a few specific Tuesday planned for the 10K build up (3 x 2.1M at 10KP tomorrow).
How do you manage to merge HR-based Hadd training with running with a group?
DrDan, If I'm honest, I will only do the Hadd stuff when I'm base training these days. I will of course do the odd 80% run and plenty of 65-70% recoveries.
I am doing more specific, 10k/HM training until next Summer. My next marathon is not planned till next Autumn. I have specific goals for the shorter distances - sub80 HM, sub60 10M and sub 36:30 10k.
Wow! 3x2.1M @ 10k pace is hard core! Not so sure I'd fancy that!!!
Good luck - let us know how it goes...
DrDan, What is your target 10k pace, and where and when are you doing that session out of interest?
Brian - you're way too speedy for me! I will probably also be leaving marathon training for next Autumn and concentrating on the shorter stuff ... my targets are sub-40 10K, sub-90 HM and sub-67 10M.
My 10K PB is 39:55 (at Abbey Dash in 2010) ... I'd love to beat that this year but probably a little beyond me at the moment. In 2010 I'd managed 19:44 at Leeds parkrun 6 weeks before AD, and then put in a text-book 5 weeks of training ... this year I've only managed 20:00 with 5 weeks to go to AD. So, target 10KP for the flat A65 on 18th Nov is about 6:25/m ... but actual 10KP at the moment on the lumpier Hyde Park route is more like 6:40/m.
The 3x2.1M @ 10KP session is planned for Hyde Park tomorrow lunchtime, ideal target pace is 6:35/m ... I might not complete - I only managed 2 x 2.1M and 1 x 1M last week, at about 6:40ish with 3 min rests.
DrDan, I don't intend getting back into proper training for a while yet (until I think I've properly recovered from the half). I was thinking that I may still do the sessions but water them down. I'm not sure who is out tomorrow or what the plan is (if any) but I could come up and help pace you round. 6:40 pace is roundabout mara pace for me.
Hyde park is as you say worth a few secs per mile, as it is far from flat.
HADD wk 7
Lower mileage this week - slipped in garden on Thursday, twisted knee slightly so decided to give Friday a rest. Felt good for Saturday run.
Mon - 5.6m @ 72%av
Wed - 5.5m @ 73%av
Sat - 8.2m @ 74%av
Total - 19.3m @ 73%av (original target was 23m)
Decided to run at slightly faster pace on Saturday to see 'where I'm at' but still kept an eye on HR to make sure the av came in under 75%. Felt comfortable - just that pace dropped off after the 60min mark. Conclusion was that I could not have run at that pace for 10 miles without seriously affecting the HRav. I reckon I've got another 4 - 6 weeks of base building with the mileage increasing to 30 per week (which sounds like nothing to what some of you guys are doing!!).
Hi BD2000, I think i may've hinted at this before. I'm not sure how much, and how quickly improvement will come on 3 runs per week. I'm sure you will see some improvement (subject to where your aerobic fitness was to start with) but I would imagine it will be very gradual. I think rather than increase the time (or intensity) of runs1, 2 or 3, it would be more beneficial to add in another run somewhere.
Forgive me if we have talked about this already, and this is what you have planned.
Brian... would be good to meet up if you're not doing the canal meet-up (so long as you realise I cannot speak for long at 6:40/m). I normally start my circuits from the corner where the parkrun starts (Clarendon Rd/Moorland Rd corner) ... flexible on timing, so whatever suits. Have dropped you a line via FB (tracked via your speedy HM time ... we have a few mutual friends!).
Brian.. yep we have, I'm normally doing 4 runs but I slipped and twisted my knee last week so only managed the 3 as I wanted t give it an extra rest day. All 4 runs per week are minimum 60 mins now.
I'm trying to be realistic about progress and not expecting too much - I realise if I can't put the miles in then it will take longer. Work, walking dog, running, car trials, it's a bl***y nightmare trying to fit it all in. I'll get there
DrDan, Got your FB request and have ignored it
Went out this lunchtime and did some 75% stuff as part of a 10miler. The good news was that I didn't feel anything in the hamstring at all. The bad news was that the 75% bit amounted to 4miles at 7:25 pace and it definitely felt harder than it should've done. So, although I'm tempted by 3 3x2miles, I'm going to pass as it may be a little early for 6:40 pace. I will definitely join you in the near future so keep me updated with your sessions.
BD2000, Apologies - I read that too but it just didn't register. Unfortunately my memory, which has never really been any good, is getting even worse. Life does get in the way though. It's up to us to try and fit it in when we can. Keep on keeping on...
Yep, over the last 5 years have got much more whimpy. (Touch wood) i've had a lot less injuries too
Good luck with the session.
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