AgentGinger - thats a quick improvement for 8 weeks. 1 minute per mile better than when started - fantastic. I guess the mileage is helping.
Check your drift over a longer run - say 10 miles and post some stats.
Agent Ginger- You have got a 1 min mile difference which is some going!
Great splits Andy.
Thats some improvement Agent Ginger, well done.
Good luck with the injuries/ niggles Tek, Johnny and Spen.
Did my first bit of Hadding for a week or so after tapering and recovery from the weekends half marathon. 11 miles tonight, averages 141 BPM (about 73%) and 7:57 m/m. Legs not quite right but not too bad either.
AgentGinger - that's a great improvement in 2 months...well done
Nice run Gaz
Managed to miss the storm tonight, and got 8.5m in at 70% + a few blips on the hills. Still way off the pace I was pre-Frankfurt. Knee survived intact.
Was that10k a 80% run ATD and what are your pbs?
Hope the recovery continues Tek.
Nice recovery Gaz.
Did you run last night Spen?
So I did my first HADD 2,400m test last night. 1m w/u (which in hindsight I didn't need as was above 130bpm!) then 2400m (6 laps of track) on, 90sec off:
131bpm (69%) 8:02m/m - felt sooo slooowww139bpm (74%) 7:27m/m - ok149bpm (78%) 6:53m/m - a bit livelier158bpm (83%) 6:18m/m - slightly uncomfortably fast, but nice167bpm (88%) 5:53m/m - hurts, but managable.
I took a lap or so to reach target bpm (130/140/150/160/170) which is why the ave bpms are a bit lower than targets.
Anything else I can read into these stats, or do I need to repeat the test in 6 weeks time to get something meaningful?
Rounded off with an easy 6m to make 14m in total and a core and stretching 1hr session.
spen71, I've done Amsterdam marathon and Prague half 3 times. And of course Eindhoven this year. Really enjoyed all 3 places, especially Prague. Prague is a fantastic place to visit. Got the lot - culture, food, beer, nightlife. I would like to do a big city mara in the States.
Keir, quads a tiny bit tender ta. Things settling down now following my second session in the gym. Got 2 sets in quite easily, should be able to step up to my full routine next week, 3 sets of 2 mini circuits.
AgentGinger, good for you. It's always nice to hear of excellent progress. Patience is the key.
AtD, when I return to the 80% runs, I tend to go straight in to 70mins. Not sure this is a sensible thing to do but I have been doing the hadding on and off since 2005 so I guess I'm used to it. But the drift on 70mins can be massive (up to 1min/mile) from memory. I would move up by 10mins each run if I were you. The fact that you were comfortable is a good guide to your coping with the increase. If running these by feel, I tend to reccomend that you should be able to complete the 70mins and be able to keep running (no rest - as after tempo say) albeit running slower, continuing into your cooldown.
Teknik, good news on the knee - easy does it.
Gaz, Good that your back on the horse. Whats the next target?
Keir, Wow! Thats a good evenings work! 14M and a sore session - nice going. Cracking numbers on the 2.4k test too. Looks like you have an improvement of ~ 4s/mile for 1 beat. Mine tends to be ~ 3s. Not sure what this means at all, just an observation really.
Interesting. Brian. As you say, not sure if that means anything. From experience I know my marathon ave HR is 161 and 5k 173, so there is not a lot to play with between that range. Not sure if that is good / bad / will change or is irrelevant.
Keir, That is interesting. My 5k HRav (from Aug 2012) was 172. My last 4 marathons came out as Apr 10 - 165, Oct 10 - 162, Oct 11 - 164, Apr 12 - 161.
So our racing HRs are almost identical. How old are you btw? I'm 51 (but don't tell anyone).
Gaz, which 10k are you doing? I'm toying with either the Ribble Valley 10k or the Hot Toddy on 30th Dec.
Anybody heard the rumour that there will be a York marathon (and maybe a half at the same time) in the near future?
thanks for all your words of encouragement I shoudl probably reiterate that i've not been measuring every single run i do, or doing the HADD test run thing, to accurately measure improvement, but mostly running by effort, and just checking occassionally to make sure my HR is not drifting too much. I'm planning a 10 mile run on Saturday, so i'll strap on the HR monitor and check for drift over the distance. I still don't "feel" particularly fit, but I guess it's hard to remember what I felt like before, plus it's quite humbling to have most other runners passing me :-\
Keir wrote (see)
Was that10k a 80% run ATD and what are your pbs? So I did my first HADD 2,400m test last night. 1m w/u (which in hindsight I didn't need as was above 130bpm!) then 2400m (6 laps of track) on, 90sec off: 131bpm (69%) 8:02m/m - felt sooo slooowww139bpm (74%) 7:27m/m - ok149bpm (78%) 6:53m/m - a bit livelier158bpm (83%) 6:18m/m - slightly uncomfortably fast, but nice167bpm (88%) 5:53m/m - hurts, but managable. I took a lap or so to reach target bpm (130/140/150/160/170) which is why the ave bpms are a bit lower than targets. Anything else I can read into these stats, or do I need to repeat the test in 6 weeks time to get something meaningful? Rounded off with an easy 6m to make 14m in total and a core and stretching 1hr session.
Keir yes it was a 80% run. didn`t think i`d manage the full 70mins so just went to do 40mins for the first session. next time i`ll be tempted to go for 70mins but will take Brians advice and go for 10min increases so for example next wednesday i`ll do-
15min warm up (approx 2miles)
50mins at 80% (approx 8miles)
i look forward to seeing what these sessions come out as when they get up to 70mins because i reckon the session could end up being around 15miles with warm up/Down.
oh you asked what the PB`s are:
FM- 3:05 (training run)
NOTE: all these are pre hadd so i hope to get significant improvement on these in 2013.
AtD, I'm mightily impressed with your pb's too, but I knew what level you were at from the Sub-3 thread. I'm not so sure you will readily improve your 5k/10k direct from Hadding. You may need to ice the cake a little, with maybe 4 weeks of sharpening. But I'd be very surprised if youcouldn't better your half time with very little tweaking.
And of course the marathon is a given, with the appropriate long runs.
Gaz, good luck in Wrexham. What is your pb/target?
Yes. I'm glad I asked about the pbs AtD. That certainly explains your pace on the session the other day! But how can you regularly post on the sub 3 thread without having seriously run a marathon? Better put that right soon!
The session was hard, but actually there was more easy time than hard time, if you know what I mean. I found I had to run with my HRM in my hand all the time and keep checking HR every 200m as it was easy to be a few bpm over / under without realising.
I think I will slot in a bit of 80% next week. Is 40mins within a 60min run a good starting point?
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