2 hour run this morning an out and back along the canal to Dochgarroch, 11 miles on total the last two miles were a little quick, I was bursting for the loo
also the heart rate reading from mile 9 dropped off the scale, this has never happened before
anyone had a similar experience with their garmin HR monitor
VLM for the first time for me Gaz
12 weeks could be another option Teknik. I will have a look at it. Sorry to hear about the knee. Painful when walking isn't good.
Stewart - HRMs sometimes can be 'funny' mwhen close to over or underground electricity sources. A friend has a problem with his Garmin HRM on windy days - it seems to 'blow off his chest' and disconnect itself.
Brian. wrote (see)
Keir, big decision for any of us that. A few questions that hopefully will help you decide: 1 why did you start hadding ? 2 how long have you been hadding? 3 what do you want to achieve from hadding? 4 do you have a long term plan (5/10 years)? 5 do you want to eek out every second you can out of your next marathon? Hope by answering these questions, your decision will be easier.
Thanks for that Brian. Excellent questions. My answers are:
1. Originally to build a base. When I got into it I also realised how good 70 / 75% runs feel and how much I can ramp up the mileage using this approach.
2. 5 weeks
3. Ah, The key question. I guess to achieve my potential over 10m - 26.2m
4. No. I will be a vet in 2 years, but not sure on a autumn target, let alone one for later on.
5. Not necessarily every second, but I would like to pb (sub 2.54), ideally sub 2.50.
I guess this answers my immediate question. I think I will follow the mileage of the P&D 18 wk plan but drop the LT sessions to 80%. Then either step in to P&D at 12 wks (prepare for a similar neurotic question at the end of Jan!) or just HADD all the way up to VLM and focus on Abingdon instead. Thanks guys.
Keir, I can't fault your approach, plan or reasoning. You're in the same boat as me, and I think I would use a very similar plan as this. Infact I think I cut the mara specific phase to 10 weeks last time, and this worked out fine. As you say, as long as you have a decent base with lots of slow miles and the odd sub lt run, the transition into P&D should be pretty painless.
Glad you're feelign better Keir ...
Sorry to hear you're still benched Teknic ...
... and you Andy. Actually, your back-of-the-knee niggle is very familiar to me - it's something I get when I'm over-doing things. Good news is that it fades away with some rest.
Week 1 of winter base done - 38.5 miles (6 x 5M ish and 1x 8.3M). The good news is that I'm getting used to the work-commute doubles. I'd like to first build up to doing this 5 days per week ... then I'lll drop back to 4 days, with one lunchtime sub-LT ... and then to 3 days, with 2 x lunchtime sub-LTs. I'll hopefully do this over January - meanwhile I'll just have to run whenever I can ... this week & next will be a bit disrupted as two work-related o/n trips to Colchester and London (I'll bring my kit just in case, but it's never straight-forward). And then it's Xmas and NY - always hard to run when the routine is broken.
Good running, Dr. Dan Andy: I hear ya re. the cost thing. But now you are a fulltime athlete it is something you may want to consider ... it's money well spent if it keeps you on the road ...Keir: another one to advocate for the 12 week plan. I Hadded for 6 months and then got straight into it. Their tempo runs are a lot less daunting after a good few sub LT runs twice a week! It got me sub 3:30 this year. Something that I never deemed possible when I started running in 2008
Teknik wrote (see)
Still benched here...
Still benched here...
Bugger Tek. Sorry to hear, mate.
Thanks Chick...I've binned the plans for Hamburg, as it's only 19 weeks away: I don't want the added pressure of rushing back before the knee's fixed. Think I'll go for the rather less glamorous Halstead...
Makes sense, Tek. You want to start training in one piece and not broken. Halstead is a great little marathon. I did it one year when I still lived in Essex and really liked it. It's more like a club outing, very friendly. Make sure you train on undulating routes though - it's not flat.
Chick - very true! I've blown up 3 times on that course - I'm going back to bury some ghosts
StewartC - I recently have had problems with my Garmin HR monitor. Upgraded to a new Garmin watch and its been all over the place since. Seems to be on REALLY cold days so I'm wondering wether to change battery or not. My Max HR is 183 and I recently had a reading of 230 and an average of 170 for a whole run which I know is not right as it was only 11:15 pace which is under 75% for me
Anyway, moving on - thought I'd do a nice long run on Sunday, I'm sure somewhere in the HADD document it said Saturday night drink 2 beers, 4 wines and 2 ports with coffee to finish
DON'T DO IT! it doesn't work - so I'm finishing work early now and looking forward to my new long run this evening
WOW - 100 pages guys and gals
BD2000, I've read that too I'm sure!
Stewart, sometimes get higher readings on my 305, not sure what causes that. Don't think I've ever had a fall like that and for so long. Did you hitch a ride on somebody's pushbike?
2hrs yesterday - 10miles hilly then 4miles on the canal at 7:20 pace to finish off. 7 of us from the club, was good to run with company, don't usually at the weekend.
70mins in the gym this morning, then 8miles incl 8x60s hills at lunchtime. Kept a lid on the effort though, as wanting to do a harder session tomorrow, possibly 6x3mins.
nice work Brian ... things are ramping up nicely!
Yesterday I had to perform some living room surgery on my little toe. I have had this blister that has waxed and waned for the past two weeks. Yesterday, 8 miles from home, it started to hurt. Well, let's just say I cut away all the outerskin and am subsequently a bit tender. This has happened before and I'm always amazed at how fast the skin can heal. I bet I'll be back on the road tomorrow.
Last week was a good one. Over an 8 day stretch I logged 68 miles running 7 of the 8 days. Pretty good considering I haven't run more than 4 days in a row (or more than 5 in a week) since the getting back on the horse.
Still itching to add in some 80% runs but will just hold off. I'm still seein improvement in my pace at 70-75% and don't have it as dialed in over 10-16 miles (still rises a abit toward the end, but gettign there). Plus, there's just no rush.
Oh yeah, my xmas shopping is officially done
BD - i occasionally get high readings and it's always because the strap needs tightening up. Also, in particularly cold weather maybe we don't sweat as much so poor contact ... maybe add a blob of lubricant ( i use KY jelly ) to improve contact.
Can't say i've ever had low readings though, but maybe for the same reason ??
First day of P&D tomorrow and i'm feeling strangely nervous
Oh dear. 100 pages and it was all going so well, then Mace had to open up the KY Jelly!
Sounds like you are on the high Unit place BD. I'm still on the lite plan (2 cider shandies at my tri-clubs awards presentation on Friday. Came away with trophies for best runner, best cyclist and best duathlete though!)
Jealous about you shopping VT. I've done all the online stuff, but now have to face the actual shops for the rest
Nice work Brian, Where are you currently through the HADD plan (which HR % zone are you working?)
Brian, lol a bus with a toilet would have been appreciated, good running too
BD hope the long run this evening went well.
Mace, good luck with P&D, I downloaded it onto my kindle the other week makes for interesting reading.
Keir, Congrats, you must be delighted to win those awards.
Gym session this evening upper body and core, split between two runs, 2 miles @ 70% 11mm and 1hour @75% 11:30mm, the base building continues.
Keir, congrats on an impressive awards haul. I wish I had your genes for speed at distance...
mace - KY jelly eh? mmm glad you use, I'm sure I have shares in that company
More on the HM readings - just read in the Garmin manual this;
Wear a cotton shirt or wet your shirt if suitable for your activity. Synthetic fabrics that rub or flap against the HRM can create static electricity that interferes with the hear rate signal.
Move away from strong Electromagnetic fields and some 2.4GHz wireless sensors. Other sources are high voltage power lines, electric motors, microwave ovens, 2.4GHz cordless phones and wireless LAN access points.
I don't know about everyone else but cotton in the winter is a bit of a nonsense - most people surely wear synthetic fibre clothing to wick away the sweat. Also can't remember the last time I strapped a microwave oven to my back just for the hell of it.
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