Hi I am about to start training for a Marathon/Ultra Marathon and have heard the Hanson Bros training plan mentioned in quite a few places. I hope to run the Wall in a day as my first ultra http://www.thewallrun.com/ Living in the North East it such an iconic symbol that I just have to try this
I itend to follow this plan and will be starting my first speed session today. Even going to go run it on a track! I have never run a 10km in under 40 minutes since starting running again a couple of years ago. Getting faster at shorter distances has not been that important in my last training plan, so the initial part of my plan is to try and smash the 40 minute barrier for 10km and then work up from there.
Would love to know other peoples views on this plan in relation to training for an Ultra/Marathons
Also been working on converting an excel version of the Hanson Brothers plan created by John Rankin to Google Docs. A draft version of the advanced Hanson Bros plan can be found here. It is has a week added at the beginning and has some of John's base data in the plan still. Would anyone else be interested in using the google docs version of this?
I'd be interested to hear from people who have followed this plan to see how they got on with the marathon. I can't help thinking that 16 miles just really isn't enough to get you prepared to run 26.2 as strongly as possible. I know in the blurb they tackle this objection by saying that there is a cumulative fatigue effect of doing back to back "sort-of" long runs, but IMO unless you're running many more miles in one go, I don't think you're doing enough to teach the body to burn fat efficiently. (No doubt glycogen reserves will be slightly depleted when you go out for your Sunday run, but I'm sure between Saturday's run and Sunday's run you will have consumed a fair amount of calories and hopefully had a good night's sleep.)
I do think the back-to-back "Something of Substance" (their terminology, not mine) sessions are a very useful practice to get into, especially if in the long term you're thinking of doing an ultra, but I don't think 10 + 16 miles over a weekend is really enough. Something like the Hal Higdon plans do something similar, i.e. towards the end of his Intermediate II schedule you'll do 10 miles on Saturday including MP, then 20 miles on Sunday. (I pushed it to 22 on my first marathon and topped out at 23/24 since then.)
As well as getting more physically prepared, I also think that getting more miles done in one go will give you more confidence that you can complete the full distance. On the other hand, if you have complete faith in the schedule and know that it has worked for other people, then fair enough. I wouldn't mind seeing the evidence though!
BTW, thanks very much. I've now got "Mmmbop" stuck in my head!
I read the artice with great interest in RW this month, as i've just entered my 1st marathon - the Edinburgh in May.
This plan really appeals as I get bored easily and think this will keep my focus. I'm worried it won't be suitable for newbies as how will I know if I can actually run 26 miles if I don't get anywhere near in training?? I'm worried about putting in all this work and dying at 18 miles.
Also, could anybody advise if I could substitute any of the runs for MTB'ing as I really don't want to give this up.
Thanks for the advice Tim. It's good to know I can keep biking, as too much pavement pounding agrevates an old injury.
I hate running with my heart rate monitor on, but will do for the next few months until I get to know what target % HR feels like.
I read that article with interest. My first reaction was that it seemed a great way to get injured or burn out. The idea of running so hard throughout the week that the 16 miles long run is simulating the final 16 of a marathon seems great in practice. But how easy would it be to over cook your week and then have to smash your long run, and end up dead on your feet?
Having said that I do like their ideals, I just think it's very risky. I train in a similar way but my long runs are as easy as they need to be to ensure the subsequent week is productive.
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