How hard should you run ?

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11/03/2005 at 17:54
I thought you didn't run to your limit:)
11/03/2005 at 17:58
Of course i dont run to my limit
wouldnt be able to run every day then-not that i have this week
11/03/2005 at 17:59
Well actually, I haven't run a race in six years, so I don't do anything to my limit.

But I'm going to run a 10km in May; and then the Berlin marathon.

Hippo - you mentioned the guilt thing on another thread, I think. I understand completely. It's not really rational, I reckon. But I'm the same.
11/03/2005 at 18:00
I was on about themobird's HM race:)
11/03/2005 at 18:01
actually, thats a good point
youhave to deliberately run under limits in longer races
I just take it to extremes
11/03/2005 at 18:01
sorry bR
11/03/2005 at 18:02
"youhave to deliberately run under limits in longer races"

I think that point was how this whole thread got started!
11/03/2005 at 18:02
although you do seem to push life to the limit.
11/03/2005 at 18:04
No i dont BR
i could always try harder

i do a nice line in self sabotage

but thats off topic
Im going to print this thread out to get me off my fat @rse next week
11/03/2005 at 18:53
Nearly all people who run 80mpw can run sub 3 for the marathon VS if all people trained 80mpw a week, they'd be capable of a sub 3 marathon - yes, they are two different things.

BUT I think the point is, if you can get up to 80 mpw, you have a much larger change of running a quicker marathon, as high mileage, for marathons, correlates with good times. You could say people are self-selecting (to be good marathoners), but on the flip side also they are self-selecting by NOT running 80mpw.

As far as individual races being run to the limit - I think the real outer limit is reached thru training, not how hard you push in a race.

For example, I could run an 800 now and give it as near to 100% as possible, and finish quite distressed YET I know 6 months down the line I would be able to run another 800 at a lesser level of effort and beat that time - purely because of the stage in my training I am right now.

However, with an optimally trained athlete at the peak of their physical fitness, the component that is psychological is much greater.

I don't really think many of us are going to get to the optimal position though, for various reasons, namely life!!
11/03/2005 at 19:07

I am sorry to hear that you are injured. I hope you feel better soon.
Move is going OK. Any time in April.
11/03/2005 at 19:21
I've been out a few hours, doing the weekly shop (not running) to get back to almost 45 further posts in this thread!

Soc - "I don't really think many of us are going to get to the optimal position though, for various reasons, namely life!!"

How do you know? Perhaps you have reached your optimum and any further training/mileage will be futile. Surely the mature approach to life is to make rational judgements as to what we can realistically achieve. I'm quite happy to be a middle of the pack runner in both races and life. Underachievers unite!
11/03/2005 at 19:31
"but on the flip side also they are self-selecting by NOT running 80mpw."

But that way around begs the question; that is, it is only self-selecting if you accept the truth of the proposition that running 80mpw will on average lead to quicker marathons. But that's precisely what's under debate.

My view is that 80mpw will likely lead to injury and illness (though quicker marathons from those able to sustain that kind of training).
11/03/2005 at 19:49
80mpw is pretty unremarkable in my book.

`My view is that 80mpw will likely lead to injury and illness'

It can, but not if you take steps to minimise the factors that can add to the miles to bring i+i.

Such as getting good sleep, running easy days easy, not doing speedwork just `because the schedule says so', stretching hydrating etc.

80 mpw is only a couple of 5s 3 times per week, a couple of single 10s, a midweek 13 miler and a 17 mile Sunday run.
11/03/2005 at 19:54
BR - I think this is the main source of our disagreement. We just don't agree about how extraordinary you are (I think you are - you don't!). :)
11/03/2005 at 20:00
Hmmm... so it comes back to the original point. There must be thousands of club runners better than me - all you have to do is turn up at a road relay to realise that. So if we accept Bazza's point that there's not many churning out 80mpw then they must be getting their results on lower mileage.


By putting in the miles I do (which I still think is just average) it has got me to places that I though I would never have been 5 years ago.


When I look back on my time spent running it will be with satisfaction thinking I gave it my best shot and got some great experiences that I wouldn't have had if I'd been a 30mpw recreational runner.

I won't look back and wish I'd spent more time cleaning the car or mowing the lawn.
11/03/2005 at 20:08
I'd actually be surprised if it was thousands; I suspect your 10km time would put you somewhere inside 1000 (but that really is a guess).

"I won't look back and wish I'd spent more time cleaning the car or mowing the lawn."

Yes, I'm sure that's true in your case; you've said nothing to suggest otherwise.

Unfortunately, not all runners have the same attitude...

Have you really not met the type; never happy with their times, always beating themselves up about it, etc? Maybe its a southern thing! :)
11/03/2005 at 20:10
Depends what you mean by `happy' with the times.

Coincidentally just been reading this thread...

11/03/2005 at 20:18
People don't seem to be that happy...

Ah well; whether it is the kind of thing I'm talking about depends on how it impacts on their self-esteem, the way they view their running, that kind of thing. The desire to get better, in and of itself, isn't really the issue.

But one running forum is enough for me - so I'm not reading any more of it!
11/03/2005 at 20:32
It depends HOW you are running the 80mpw.

Most top marathoners run high mileage, most good club runners run high mileage.

It is scary to hear this coming from me! I am not a Lydiard fan - I think for MD (800, 1500) low is the way to go - james mcilroy apparently doesn't run above 30 mins and I know a lot of the women train like sprinters.

guzzle -most people don't get their optimum in terms of running, because it would mean putting everything into running and sacrificing other things, to reach your best possible performance. But for me, that's not really what it's about.
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