Intervals?

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04/02/2013 at 18:36
Okay, so I can now run 5k, of which is I am excessively proud. I can even run 6k. My plan from here is to try to run 3 times a week, with one run adding 0.5k a week up to 10k, one run sticking at 5-6k and one doing intervals. This is essentially in an effort to improve my time. I'm not really getting on with intervals though. In fact that is an over optimistic description. I decided to run for 3k, do 4 intervals of 30 seconds fast, 30 seconds slow and then run the rest up to 5k. I managed 2 intervals; I felt like I was going to vomit, pass out or both. So I walked through the rest of the 'interval' time and ran till the 5k point. I'm not really sure what to do. I am overweight (about 3 stone), so should I just leave intervals till I've lost a bit more weight? Or am i just being a great big wimp? Or should I do them with less warm-up run beforehand? Shorter intervals? If you are doing intervals, how far overall do you run for the run?
04/02/2013 at 19:21

Try 30s fast, 1m30 recovery.

04/02/2013 at 19:25

Shona, good to hear you're keen to press on, but i'd probably recommending getting fitter through more easy paced running first. There's a fair amount of race improvement to come from this step alone at first.

Think of easy mileage as the foundations, and think of the speedwork as the roof.

you're trying to put the roof on before you've laid strong foundations!

04/02/2013 at 19:31
Bit of a relief to hear that Stevie! So just keep doing 5k runs with 1 longer one?
04/02/2013 at 19:33
And how do you know when the foundations are firmly laid and you can move onto the roof (to push the analogy too far)?
04/02/2013 at 19:40

If you're currently doing 3 runs a week of 5k, say 9miles a week, i'd just gently add a bit of mileage progressively for a couple of months.

If you have access to a stationary cycle or a swimming pool, maybe that would help things along too as an extra session.

Over this time, you'll lose a bit of weight, and develop some kind of base. I'm certain this would show in your race times already.

I wouldn't worry about intervals until you're comfortably handling 20miles a week personally.

If you haven't got a running base, what are you trying to delve into when you try faster running? The answer is an empty tank!

Key stuff to start doing is preventative stretching after a run. And also developing an awareness of how things are feeling. This is something that'll be very important as the mileage increases.

Edited: 04/02/2013 at 19:41
04/02/2013 at 19:43

I agree with Stevie on this one.

Focus on time running rather than intensity. There's huge improvements to be made just off easy running.

The intervals you've described sound more like strides, E.g. running quickly for short bursts to practice your running form. Intervals tend to be anything from 200m up to 1600m and you usually do enough in a session to add up to around 3 - 5k. 

You don't need to do any speedwork until you've built up a base as you should improve during this period anyway. Once you feel ready I'd recommend starting with a tempo run. Make 1k in the middle of a normal run 30-60s quicker than your normal pace. You can then gradually build up the distance of the tempo section.

04/02/2013 at 19:45
Interval training has been a great help for me as I was also overweight. It's helped my breathing and my running speed and also helped me lose weight, but like most things, it takes time and commitment. Don't over do it.
05/02/2013 at 19:21

I've been told they can help with weight loss - something about burning more calories than double the same overall time plodding.  Don't know if it's true of-course, but sounds good!  Think I might leave it till I'm covering a bit more ground though.

20 miles a week though?  Seriously?  That's more than 3 runs of 10k a week!  I mean, obviously having read around on this forum I know people do, but not people like me (job, children, late 30s, overweight....).  Mind you, I couldn't previously see myself seriously contemplating a 5k run...

05/02/2013 at 19:50

20miles is a benchmark figure, of course you could try intervals sooner (like you did), but you have to question the benefit.

To me, doing intervals before you have any kind of base fitness is ill advised.

05/02/2013 at 20:02

I agree that you should just focus on putting in the time running at the moment but I think you could start to give intervals a go if you want. The key is not to try to do too much too soon. Try putting in a few faster sections into one of your 5k runs and give yourself more recovery time - 30 seconds to recover from a 30sec interval isn't really enough, or try doing a tempo run as Andy D suggested. Good luck and well done for getting to 5k!!

07/02/2013 at 23:33
Hi Shona,

Firstly - well done on doing a 5k!

I think you might be trying to do your intervals too fast if you're feeling that bad. I'd also ask what you've had to eat in the past 5 hours before the run as that's not a normal feeling!

It seems really intimidating to start with but if you make little changes and gradually make running a part of your daily routine you'll find yourself running faster and further without ever really even trying!

I've done a short blog series (aimed at marginally faster runners) about how I'd suggest building up to speed-work. The first part is available here:-

http://brynrunning.blogspot.co.uk/2009/07/making-transition-part-1.html

Good luck and happy running!
07/02/2013 at 23:59

Agree with the general tone - no need to do intervals unless you want to - and if you do want to there is no need to do them quite so hard. 

One thing you could try to develop speed is maybe do a mile or half mile faster in the middle of one of your training runs - doesn't have to be flat out just faster than the rest of the run.   If you can find a long stretch of road which is gently downhill that would be a good place to do it.   

08/02/2013 at 01:15

Maybe work on a quicker cadence (number of steps per minute) with a shorter stride (if you don't already). This will help you get used to moving your feet quickly without causing yourself an injury from over working. Then when you're ready you can work on lengthening your stride to cover more ground faster. But that's not important right now. But I do think a lot of beginners (I've only been running 6 months myself but am up to 18-20 miles a week), benefit a lot from working on their cadence and running 'lighter' on their feet.

10/02/2013 at 23:15
I suppose the thing is, I did my first actually running a whole 5k on the 3rd January. Took about 37 minutes. Over the next couple of weeks that came down to a little under 35 minutes without any particular effort - apart from getting out there and running 3 x a week. Over the last 2-3 weeks it hasn't come down at all. I can now run ( as of today) 6.5k, so I'm managing increased distance, but my time over 5k is stuck.

It may well be that I just need to stick at it for a bit and lose some more weight etc though. Finding it a bit frustrating it isn't magically getting better though.
10/02/2013 at 23:16
(if we're giving out middle names, I would not get 'patince')
11/02/2013 at 10:17

I ran my 1st 5km in late December. I have now managed 10 miles on one occasion. My 5km was stuck for a few weeks until I started working on form and speed. Hill sessions have recently really helped to the point where this saturday I took a minute off my 5km time just like that, out of the blue. So keep at it. The time will improve eventually. Also bear in mind that more distance doesn't always equal better speed at shorter distances.

Edited: 11/02/2013 at 10:19

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