Hi Kimba - you sound just like me. I too did a marathon on Sunday and trained following Hal Higdon's Intermediate plan. The marathon was very hilly but I finished in my target time of 4.30. My quads were killing me Mon, Tues and Weds but by Thurs they had eased off and I did some cross training at gym. I looked at Hal's recovery programme and did a 3 mile easy run this morning and like you, felt fine! And was surprised at how well I felt. I have eaten well since Sunday and now feel quite rested. I guess Cakes right by saying we must have trained properly.
I'm going to follow Hal's 4 week recovery programme and then start preparing for the VLM.
I finished a hilly 30 mile in 6:15 during the summer, and followed the dad's recovery plan which involved going to a BBQ at a friends and playing with three year olds as I'd been out all day so it was my turn to entertain the kids.
I was back out by the Wednesday. Now admittedly 6:15 isn't startling fast but it is off-road and hilly (North Downs) so it does make the legs ache. As Cake says some people do them every weekend.
Go with how you feel. Don't try to bust any records too soon, enjoy running for a while......then enter another.
Kimba - yep - you have been well and truly bitten by the bug!
My training for the VLM will of course be a gradual build up again to the long runs so provided I don't rush into heavy mileage weeks immediately and intensive speedwork intervals I guess I should be fine. Hal Higdon's schedules are for 18 weeks but I'll allow 20 weeks in case of snow, flu etc. ( Not that I actually do many 'intensive speedwork intervals... )
Re you hitting the wall. We live and learn.! I did FLM in 2006 and made a real hash of it because my training was inadequate and I stupidly thought it would be ok on the day...but of course you can't treat the marathon distance with disrespect like that. I suffered badly from mile 16 onwards and although felt really proud to have finished it I felt that to suffer that much wasn't right. So this 2nd attempt at a marathon last Sunday was a completely different experience for me because my training, nutrition and hydration were so much better. Yes it still hurt as marathons always hurt. But it didn't shatter me like my first one. In fact, sitting here I can hardly believe that I ran a marathon just under a week ago!
Re running marathons every week or fortnight: Indeed these people do exist . And I chatted to some of them in last sunday's marathon - quite a few were 100 marathon clubbers. 2 people said they don't actually 'train' anymore - they just run marathons on the weekend!
Beachy Head - no chance - too mean.
I grew up on a diet of LDWA events and these guys don't do tee-shirts, medals, energy bars or aything really. However as a member I get £2 off events which makes the 30-mile winter tanners event from Leatherhead at £2 entry fee (£4 non-members) a real bargin compared to £4,000,000,000 to run 16-miles round Kingston, twice.
They do hills, directions, and water. Cheap - oh yes. Deluxe nah. Hard - yes if you run
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Beachy Head - no chance - too mean. I grew up on a diet of LDWA events and these guys don't do tee-shirts, medals, energy bars or aything really. However as a member I get £2 off events which makes the 30-mile winter tanners event from Leatherhead at £2 entry fee (£4 non-members) a real bargin compared to £4,000,000,000 to run 16-miles round Kingston, twice.They do hills, directions, and water. Cheap - oh yes. Deluxe nah. Hard - yes if you run
Wow was it only that much to run 2 laps of Kingston. I thought that they'd asked for some ridiculous amount. How wrong can you be eh?
After my first marathon I was really stiff and sore for a few days, never got to run as I was knocked off pushy. ouch big time. My second marathon - Eden on 11/10/09 I didn't even know I'd run the next day. Only thing I can say is that I found the gym; cycling; and swimming much harder and have been very hungry. Have taken the running easy, clocked 30 miles this week with no speed work and only 1 easy hill session.
It maddens me that their are folk out there that can do ironmen and ultras and marathons in their sleep. ! My knees would never let me do that I don't think.
There are at least 3 marathons that I want to run (next year)? I don't know if this is wise or not, esp as they are quite hilly routes. I think I could do it if I took them gently, but that doesn't sound like me. I go out all guns blazing.
Had to google LDWA - never heard of them, but great, my partner wants to get fit and the only exercise he enjoys is walking, I'll send him a link. The only other thing I want to do is find an event where I can run and he can cycle, then we can go together.
Cake - were you the kid in that add - you know
"choc ice and chips... don't tell your mother!"?
Kimba - its your training that will have prepared your body - not the actual marathon so regardless of what happened on the day you are probably in pretty good shape and hence recovery won't be too bad! You say you went out too fast on the day - well thats a tactical mistake not a fitness issue. Even elite athletes can make that mistake and suffer! Looking back to my first marathon - my major mistake was not to train consistently and to believe that I could get away with it on the day. No - it doesn't work!
I've also just been out for my longish slow run. Did just over 8 miles ( I hr 27 so slightly longer than Hal Higdon recommends so slapped wrists ). The reason being I took a diversion to local country park as I wanted to get off road for a while - so this extended my planned route a little. It was raining but lovely temp to run in - not cold...just refreshing! I've also been doing some gentle cross training at the gym - rowing, elliptical trainer and bike
Incidentally - have you any more events p.lanned for the near future? Shorter or long?
Kimba - I feel fine after my 8 miles . I did feel that I could have run further but I'm scared of Hal! ( and yes...please don't tell him I ran further than I should have ). No niggles - lower legs slightly stiff but not hurting. I will stick to the plan religiously next week . I refuelled with my homemade shake of milk, drinking choc, banana and peanut butter then made some butternut squash soup which I've downed with a cheese sarnie. Yum! Now I'm watching Paula RAdcliffe in NY Marathon.
Why don't you sign up for a trail marathon? When do they take place? You've got a good level of fitness so this is something new you could aim for! I guess your training would involve more hill training but I'm sure you could fit that in somehow?
I did relatively few races this year so have decided to try out a few shorter distance races in the build up to VLM. These are a 10K on Nov 15th Wimbledon Common) 15K on Dec 6th ( Richmond Park) Half Marathon in Feb 28th ( local to me in Essex). But, and this is the big but.....I have signed up for my very first Ultra in June......its the Shires and Spires in Northamptonshire - 35 miles - includes some navigation with compass and map!! It is organised by Go Beyond - the organisation behind the off road marathon I did last Sunday. I decided that as I didn't feel absolutely whacked at the end of the marathon I maybe do have the potential to run a bit further......well we shall see!!
Kimba - the short answer is - no...I don't have ANY orientation experience! I love to live a bit dangerously. Re a training schedule, I'm not sure yet. Our friend Hal has a schedule for Ultra marathons that I could perhaps tweak. Its for 6 months and thus VLM falls within the 4th month. His schedule is for Comrades ( 54 miles) so I could play around with it and reduce the mileage a bit. I think it will be do-able provided I don't get injured!
Do sign up for some events! It keeps you motivated. What sort of events are there in Switzerland ( apart from scaling the Alps!) ?
Tee - hee! Cake is right........how about the Ironman that is just on your doorstep!
Seriously - those events you have described sound so so cool. So get on and sign up! The half marathon is waiting.....
Oh I know there are loads of amazing people who do back to back marathons and marathons every week etc ! I'm sure if you get the training right over a period of time you can get your body used to this. and recovery time lessens. But at the moment I'd rather err on the side of caution and recover properly by following (ish) the recovery schedule before starting training heavily again ( says me who once again added on a couple of extra miles to Hals scheduled 4 mile run this morning ). Well it was only 2 miles extra - not 3 HOURS extra like your friend!)
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