Moraghan Training - Stevie G

you've been training with Hywel Towel, he's an absolute machine on the bike. You're on borrowed time son !

...if you keep training with him, he's hardcore, won indoor rowing comps, fitness titles, cycling TTs, IMs, running is one of his weaker suits. 

Seb from Rugby wrote (see)

Good marathon all things condidered Warren

I will be more careful in the future not drifting off my target pace, the last rep was 5:35 1st mile 5:25 2nd mile. I just put in a fast last 300 at the end to boost race finishing speed. so really the pace over all the miles was 5:35 avg. Fast yes, but not absurd. Training partner does all sorts, titles include UK double Ironman champ and 100km rowing world record , running PB's mid 33's, low 56 10m, Low 1:14 half , mid 2:47 Full

 That explains it! 

Training with someone miles faster over long distance reps sounds a bit of a massive risk to me mate.

It's one thing doing your 400s and 800s a fair bit faster than target paces, as per a few guys on here, but when you're doing long 2mile reps faster than your own 10k pace...something mightgive.

Although, some old school runners would say that's the way to do it. A guy from my old club was always telling me to train with the fastest guys I could find, as if it somehow just brushes off on you, rather than my belief that faster paces are something you earn and develop to over time.

The train fast to race fast method works up to a point. The skill is discovering where that point actually is. There's a train-ability factor for a start. My clubmate ran 55 mins at CP despite only having trained for 12 weeks after six months off with a stress fracture. I doubt my own training could have been much better over the last 12 weeks but somewhere during that period I was overhauled. Also there was another guy who gained the ability week on week to run an extra lap of the track at the same speed ,ie 400's in 65 seconds. 400's, 800's,1200's, 1600's. The rest of us just stayed the same. It was potential. He had it. The rest of us didn't.

Hywel Towel? Surely that's a made up name! Got some seriously impressive stats mind!!

Common sense says the trick is to train with someone just a bit faster than you to stretch you, but not kill you, surely?

Not sure even that works for us old dogs though!

That Rackham fella, having turned 50 in June, must be looking forward to a year of absolutely HOOVERING up the V50 prizes.

Unless he picks some huge quality massive field race, I can't see many V50s beating a guy whose 55min 10miler off so long injured is an under par performance!

Bus, depends how you train. If you have a personalised training plan like myself, you need to train to your own designated paces. You make the steps up in paces when the correct time comes.

But otherwise, yeah what you said

Right, Norwich here i come

Hywel Towel is his nickname on IMTalk and Tri Talk, real surname is Davies, have a look at his website for more info on him.

The Bus wrote (see)

Jeez Stevie - you must be even more of a streak of P!55 than SG - I'm 5'8" and weigh 3/4 stone more (and all though I'm moaning, I don't exactly carry a lot of fla!).

I come in at 5'10" and fighting weight is 144 lbs so I generally train at 147 and drop a few for a big race and put on a few between peaks.

Had a couple of days off. Having put in about 7 weeks solid training and close to 180 in the last month I thought the foot was better, then Tuesday at about 4 miles into a 7 it started to hurt. Got back OK but was limping badly. Good thing is that it was sharp pain and not dull and seems to have cleared with a few days rest but the gout has flared up so I am fearful that I get into a cycle of injury, compensation and another injury.

Will try a 5 or so today to see if I can race 8 on Sunday.

TR wrote (see)

Hywel Towel is his nickname on IMTalk and Tri Talk, real surname is Davies, have a look at his website for more info on him.

http://www.hyweldavies.me/page1.html

Not bad for a guy who can't make up his mind what sport he wants to concentrate on, but if I was world record holder at a distance I would concentrate on that

http://concept2.co.uk/records/marathon_british
http://concept2.co.uk/records/100k_british

some good training going on...IC5 & Bus with the fast shorter stuff and SS with the mile reps (planning to do 4*1m off 3 at 5.20 pace next tuesday, so when it gets tough i will tell myself on each last lap that stevie can do them so get on with it!!) plus the monster seb session which i really enjoyed.

vital stats 5.11, 12st 2lb, blue eyes, aquarius, no pets.  isnt there some stat that says each kg is worth a few secs on the mile...if so im giving you lighter chaps a massive headstart but to counter balance it i do like goose fat roast potatoes.  So swings and roundabouts

Warren - i know you are much faster than that race but i hope there comes a day when i can claim a 2.55 as a meh! result.  Looks excellent to me

According to the scales I lost 4lb overnight! (must have been some poo this morning!)

Anyone use the Adizero Boston for training? If so, any good?

The Bus wrote (see)

Anyone use the Adizero Boston for training? If so, any good?

I race in those shoes buit far too light to train in.

ouch, did a track session with club last night. and learned how intense 200m reps are.

the session was 400, 200, 400, 200, 400 5 min rest then repeat, with a 1km rep on end of session. doing a 29sec 200m made me feel a wee bit sick,

That's why I don't do em Andy

I thought the Boston's were the training version of the Adios?

How's the fit Steve? I'm told a half size up, but my Hagios are fine in the same size as all my other shoes. Kanadias are slightly tight, but not overly so.

Thinking of Bostons for training, Adios for racing (the Hagios just don't last long enough!).

andy the deestrider. wrote (see)

ouch, did a track session with club last night. and learned how intense 200m reps are.

the session was 400, 200, 400, 200, 400 5 min rest then repeat, with a 1km rep on end of session. doing a 29sec 200m made me feel a wee bit sick,

Have to choose your poison. 1500m runner or marathon runner? Never train with a club myself, I want a session tailored exactly for me and appropriate for my race distance. There's a V50 in my club who tore a hamstring trying 300's in sub 50 seconds. As SG would say, bonkers. His 5 mile time is around 31:30, not 22:30.