Moraghan Training - Stevie G

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25/01/2013 at 22:41

RJ - please tell us about the half marathon you did in training on the way into work one morning  (no seriously, please do - we thrive on these things!)

Dachs - I hate to correct you old chap, but Dt2's notorious session was 14M at 5:40 pace! For some reason (!), it's one of those things that will stick in my mind forever, long after I've forgotten my own kids names probably!!.

SG. PMJ - he right you know, (though I'm not sure the 1:15:xx is totally beyond reach on this outing). That said, you know what you are aiming for, even if you won't tell us until after 

 

25/01/2013 at 22:56
The Bus wrote (see)

though I'm not sure the 1:15:xx is totally beyond reach on this outing

To be clear, 1:15:xx is not a 75. 1:15:59 is a 76, 1:15:01 is sub 76 and I'll give you a "close to 75" but a 75 starts with a 74 unless it is 75:00.

26/01/2013 at 09:13

Eh? granted a SUB 75 starts with 74, but a 75 starts with, well 75

26/01/2013 at 10:22

Course a 1:15:xx is a 75!  But obviously it's not a sub 1hr 15!

But clearly, if you do times slightly under the minute, like my 1:17:59 and 1:17:53 at the last 2 Wokinghams, you tell people that you are sub 1hr 18, rather than 1:17.

Although I know runners who just quote the minute, but yes that looks silly.

But let's calm it all down eh? I wasn't ever talking about a sub 1hr 16, let alone a sub 1hr 15

26/01/2013 at 10:38

you need targets for the year. I usually say I want 1.15 rather than sub 1.16 etc etc.

I was targeting 1.15 at Brass Monkey Half last week but it was cancelled so I am going to concentrate on 10k/5k now for the next few months.

Targets are important as they help you tune your training towards the goal. 

Good luck everyone for their 2013 goals.

 

26/01/2013 at 10:45

PMJ - I think you may be talking about this one. It's the session I mentioned the other day and although it wasn't strictly on the way to work it was done and dusted by 6:29am).

26/01/2013 at 11:02

RJ, looks like a session and a half. Crossing and recrossing the threshold the whole way.

Makes me think of my own most ambitious session, 21 x 3 mins at 5:30's off 1 min recovery (standing still mind). The benefits in this case were debatable.

 What is not debatable is that the (cheap) exercise bike I bought 2 months ago is no longer up to the job. I've become too strong for it.

Advice: Do not buy one of these machines if based on magnetic resistance.

The problem is that the resistance at the Max setting is feeble. My mistake was to assume these were better than a flywheel job. I've discovered since that this problem is typical of the machine type.

So a machine with an 18kg flywheel is on its way.

Good for smashing out lactic acid forming intervals with none of the impact.

 

 

Edited: 26/01/2013 at 12:57
26/01/2013 at 14:00
RJ, that is a seriously impressive training run! Was it as up and down as the Garmin trace makeshift look?

Hello sawney bean, where''ve you been?
26/01/2013 at 15:20

Sawney Bean has been doing cross country all winter, no proper road racing. Feel stronger but times will tell, now after working on prep for half marathon this year it got cancelled so I am not going to try and chase another half this Winter/Spring.

Beach running today 2 sets of 4 x 800.

Anybody coming up for National XC in Sunderland or Masters XC at same location?

26/01/2013 at 16:04

There you go SG, Philip has spoken. You've been told!

A snowy and hard (still at easy pace) 9 earlier now off for an easy 4. Think the sports massage and a 12 hour kip made this morning hard work, felt like I'd been in cryosleep for 10 years! Possibly out tonight, so I'm fearing for my long-run tomorrow, which I postponed hoping the snow would dissipate a bit.

Oh and I'm 'one of those' runners who say 35 mins for 10k when I ran 35:51. But only when chatting to non-runners. It sounds better and your average layman isn't intertested in the seconds. If a runner asked me, I'd be exact. If a hot girl asks, it's 32 on a bad day!

Edited: 26/01/2013 at 16:07
26/01/2013 at 17:38

4 done, 7:10 pace, nice and easy. Already passed my highest mileage for a month this month and we have 5 days left! Don't feel like I'm monstering it either, will I be saying that after the club session of 20 x 400 on Tuesday night?!

26/01/2013 at 18:00

what were you doing the 20 x 400 in Stevie

26/01/2013 at 18:13

Not done it yet... Tuesday! Aiming at hitting 82-84 seconds a lap.

26/01/2013 at 18:28
Stevie G . wrote (see)

Course a 1:15:xx is a 75!  But obviously it's not a sub 1hr 15!

But clearly, if you do times slightly under the minute, like my 1:17:59 and 1:17:53 at the last 2 Wokinghams, you tell people that you are sub 1hr 18, rather than 1:17.

Although I know runners who just quote the minute, but yes that looks silly.

But let's calm it all down eh? I wasn't ever talking about a sub 1hr 16, let alone a sub 1hr 15

Overheard a top vet give his reply to how he'd got on in the Hillingdon HM. "Oh I did 73!". His time 73:12. Well if it was good enough for him!

I mention this since at the time, I myself was wondering how to describe a result (of a long race) without resorting to all the seconds.

So when a club mate asked after the C.Patch, Ans "Did 58!"

Longish run planned for tomorrow on the road.

Now that conditions have improved, I'll risk incorporating some speed work into the proceedings.

 

 

26/01/2013 at 19:57

So I have a 55.xx 10 mile, 33.xx 10k and a 74.xx half but I say 56, 34 and 75.

Race Jase wrote (see)

PMJ - I think you may be talking about this one. It's the session I mentioned the other day and although it wasn't strictly on the way to work it was done and dusted by 6:29am).

It wasn't that one: one you did for your morning commute into the city, think it was a half in about 72 or 73 or maybe I am misremembering. Was in the run up to London before you got ill.

26/01/2013 at 20:22
You must be misremembering PMJ but I did run into work pretty much once a week which is c15.3 miles Did a handful of them in c6:10pace avge (but always run progressively). I did a couple of 73 minute 13.1 milers as part of 20+milers but they were laps (just over a mile) of dulwich park.

Bus, that is the flattest bit of Orpington pretty much just running up and down that stretch but it is in no way hilly so I reckon the garmin's elevation trace is talking bllx.

Im with most other folk PMJ in that If someone asks me what my marathon time is I say 2:29 and my half is 69! Stop selling yourself short!
26/01/2013 at 20:39
If I get a 2.29 or 69 you won't need to ask me my times as you will be able to read them yourself from the t-shirt I will have made . Or with the plane permanently skywriting it overhead

Pmj - if your train is due in at 11.05 and you call it 12, do you miss a lot of trains?

Some Rocky IV training for me this morning, snow up to my calf in places, was only going to do 5m but was enjoying it some kept going to 10m. Nice and slow mind!
Edited: 26/01/2013 at 20:41
26/01/2013 at 20:49
Philip_M_Jones wrote (see)

So I have a 55.xx 10 mile, 33.xx 10k and a 74.xx half but I say 56, 34 and 75.


Put the word sub in front of your quoted numbers, and it's all cleared up.

To be honest though, the extra 2seconds it takes to say 55:5X then 56, just quote the whole thing!

26/01/2013 at 20:52

It's funny the bees in bonnets runners have. That one is clearly young Phils.

Another one is chip versus gun.

Almost any runner I've ever known reckons the first over the line has won a race, and should be listed as so. And the chip is for personal result.

My old club, do a championship, and actually distributed points on chip time.

So a chap lost out to someone he'd beaten over the line.

Shocking.

26/01/2013 at 21:22
Stevie G . wrote (see)

Another one is chip versus gun.

All mine are pre-chip days so they are gun times: reckon that has to be worth a minute on each so yesterday I was 34, 56 and 75 for 10k, 10 miles and half and now with two adjustments I reckon I am 32, 54 and 73

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