One mans meat ,build recover, is another mans poison: cumulative fatigue.

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21/08/2013 at 05:52

I am just interested to know what peoples thoughts are.

Most training programs for marathon distance are built on the stress the body, recover model. Hansons say you should work the body whilst it is fatigued. Hansons worked for me, I am unable to actually complete a lot of the speed sessions in some of the other plans. 

On the face of it the two theories seem to say exactly opposite things.www.oldmarathonrunner.co.uk tells how I got on with Hansons.

21/08/2013 at 08:03

I have never heard of Hansons. How about explaining what it is here, rather on your blog, so we can comment?

Otherwise people might think that your post contains a certain type of processed meat made by Hormel.

21/08/2013 at 08:26
That blog gets mentioned in every post.
Just give us the detail in the post Andrew, if you could be so kind.
21/08/2013 at 08:28

If you have never heard oof the Hanson Brothers we may as well end the discussion there.

21/08/2013 at 08:36

OK then, bye!

PS - you forgot to include the link to the blog in your post.

21/08/2013 at 08:38
Didn't they do that song Mmm Bop?

I apologise for not knowing everything!
21/08/2013 at 08:58

I didn't really see their plans as that different - just another spin, but with the 16M LR being the longest session. Most plans will work you through fatigue, and then periodically cut back every few weeks - the usual stress model. On a long run, I will run 22 miles on fatigued legs. I personally wouldn't be happy in running 16 miles as my longest training run (whether on on fatigued legs or not) - I need more confidence come race day. But then everyone is different.

21/08/2013 at 08:58
21/08/2013 at 09:07

So, new user stealth spams his blog (that doesn't load), then gets arsey with long-established members.  What a nobber.

Edited: 21/08/2013 at 09:55
21/08/2013 at 09:11
Cheers also ran. I have heard if that method before now I have read about it.
As you have said I'd need a bit more than a 16 mile run to give me the confidence on race day.
As long as I'm still getting PBs ill stick with what I feel is right for me.
21/08/2013 at 13:38

I haven't read this guys blog - but I did read the runnersworld article as I was intrigued that the schedule suggests that 16 miles is the maximum needed in preperation for a marathon (i'm running my first marathon in 13 years next May) But the following is a quote I found from someone who commented on the 16 mile claim suggested that the need to run at least a 20 is actually quite important

"Many many marathon runners are either first timers or 3:30-5 hr runners... doing a 20 or and 18 physically has no bearing but physiologically.. it is massive, doing a 20 in training means you are mentally much better prepared even if you are no fitter... we all know the race doesn't start until mile 20 but for many having done a 20 in prep gives them a will, a satisfaction and some confidence to carry on for the remaining 10k"

I quite like that.

 

Edited: 21/08/2013 at 13:40
21/08/2013 at 14:25
I agree Grendel. Even as a reasonably experienced runner 5x Marathon 2x 50k I still get lots of confidence standing on the start line in the knowledge that I have a decent number of 20 - 23 milers under my belt.
21/08/2013 at 14:46

I understand now why serious runners are sniffy about Runners World.

I thought they were being uncomplimentary about the actual content.

Silly old man. Wrong again!

21/08/2013 at 16:54

with a marathon pb of 2:41  from a long while ago I'm certainly not a serious runner - I just know what worked for me in my past and can't mentally contemplate running a marathon without at 4 or 5 20s - I can understand the with the cumulative effect of training in your legs 16 is going to feel more like 20 - but I still need mentally to know I have done 20s in the build which is why, I started training a year to the day before the race next May - but eveyone is different so whatever works.

21/08/2013 at 17:38

I must definitely lack confidence as every year I have done London I have needed to do the full 26.2 in training to give me confidence!

21/08/2013 at 20:32

One Gear - that shows that what works for one person doesn't work for someone else. It is a shame that Andrew Turner has taken umbrage because I think there is a lot of room for discussion here. 

21/08/2013 at 20:41
I think he just wanted to promote his blog. (Again!)
21/08/2013 at 20:54

He has a blog?

21/08/2013 at 21:02

Quite an interesting topic Grendel. 

Just the other day I was discussing the need to go further than 20! totally agree its the mental confidence for me. 

Why run the max of say 20 , then think....yep sorted!! I'm going up to 22/23 for my marathon in October!! Just resting well in between 

21/08/2013 at 21:08
Millsy1977 wrote (see)
I think he just wanted to promote his blog. (Again!)

Don't be silly. Why would he say 

Andrew Turner 15 wrote (see)

I am just interested to know what peoples thoughts are.

if he didn't want to hear other people's opinions?

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