Over 60s training.

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15/03/2003 at 07:45
Morning anyone. Bright and sunny with a touch of frost. I shall garden for most of tody in preparation for 1/2m tomorrow. It's tough at the top.
15/03/2003 at 10:52
Good luck, JJ!!
15/03/2003 at 14:06
Hi Pussy, thanks for the info. I value any contribution that adds to my confidence. I am sure that you do have the mental strength to run under 4 hours. You have the guts to run 20 miles within target time so NO reason why you cannot go the rest of the way. Heres me,giving advice and I as yet do not have the guts to even enter a marathon. But I will, I think.

I love the idea of the hidden water bottles in the hedgerows along your country lanes!

re The Sailing, I used to live on Hayling Island so I spent many an hour/day sailing. Although my passion was windsurfing, I used to race each weekend right through the frost bite season, so I know all about cold douches for the whole body!!

Yes, Pussy I am hot on the stretches as well. My weekly Pilates class helps with that as well. I do stretch after a long run , but I am not convinced that it does a great deal of good . I used to be a masseur, so I am able to massage any niggles in my legs straight away, which I know helps a lot too. I take a masssage on my legs from time to time, when I can afford it. Often that is pretty painful, but I reap the benefits afterwards.

Beautiful day all of you out there, we seem to have collected a few chess fanatics on board as well.

15/03/2003 at 21:07
Evening all. Just a note to say thanks for the good wishes. It's not a fast course so 1-48, 1-49 would be OK by me. I'll post some comments on Sunday p.m.
15/03/2003 at 23:00
That Winboard download...it's quite difficult to find, but you can get it here.
16/03/2003 at 18:04
Good evening folks.
Ran 1hr.49.12 (a miserable 10 secs. faster than 2 weeks ago)for the Hastings 1/2m on what for me is a bar steward of a course. As I said on another thread, I shall take a JCB to it and take the smile off its face.
Went for a 4.75 mile run this afternoon to loosen up and turn the day into a maraton training day.
Hope everyone's runs went well this weekend and no injuries.
16/03/2003 at 18:05
Sorry, no chess set but there was a medal the size of a horse brass. Incidently, the winner was a Kenyan in 62mins. I finished c.1240 out of 3800.
16/03/2003 at 19:28
Well done JJ even though you sound a tad disappointed its quite impressive to the likes of me especially! Perhaps you could pawn the medal(pardon the pun). Had a couple of rest days but going out on a run with our gym tomorrow.
16/03/2003 at 20:30
Got one from last year as well. Could give the pair to Mrs.JJ as earrings. Save buying a birthday prezzie.
17/03/2003 at 08:49

Another alternative is to add a warm-up and cool-down run either side of your race. Its a ploy I intend to use when running Rothwell 10k.

First heard of it when I saw Monique at Skipton x-country. She ran the x-country (5 miles approx) then ran home. Well I say home. Its 30 miles from Skipton so she may well have stopped on the way.

A good idea though. It means you dont have to give up racing (my favourite bit of running) and like you say, you get to introduce speed to a long run.

The only thing to be careful of is not to hang around too long after the finish and stiffen up. And of course, dont get to the race too early. You need to do a bit of homework as where to park the car as well so the distances and route add up.
17/03/2003 at 12:58
JJ. Our expectations of ourselves are high. I think your time for the half to be OK. It was around your personal best even if you did not top it. I would imagine your legs are still fairly hammered from all your marathon training. Your are tapering for the marathon not the half. I expect if you do another half in a couple of months, when you have got the marathon out of the way and you will run a much better time. You sound as if you are managing to get the miles in as well as the race, that is brilliant. It shows that your endurance is excellent. Did you find the pace of the half hard? Or were you just unable to run ny faster. I have a very vivid imagination and I can visualise a huge JCB driving along the Hastings Half slicing the tops of the hills!
17/03/2003 at 13:10
I, myself, have just returned from a 16 mile run, 2 hours 21 minutes. It was just such a beautiful day, I think I could have stayed out longer, but I thought of tomorrow and how I would feel if I did. So I stopped.

After my bath I tried the cold water spray on my legs, it did not feel too bad. But there is no way that I could have included my gluteal muscles.

I have decided that 16 miles is as far as I want to run on my long run. I will taper this when getting near my next half in May. then build up to 16 again. It seems, maybe, a good platform to launch a marathon training from. IF I decide to do one later.

I did not get on too well with my gradient 3 hill training last week. My legs felt tired and I had to not only reduce the speed but the gradient down to 2. It felt like a cheat but I still found it hardish so I guess it was doing me good. I managed the 6 miles, so was on target for the weekly mileage.

Lincoln imp have you entered any 10k races in the future?

I must go and eat something.
17/03/2003 at 17:28
JJ OK boss
18/03/2003 at 00:01
Hi Ceal.
Have entered 10k Lincoln in April and will be doing the Sheff.Rother Valley 10k in May.
Just did a 3mile today which beat my previous PB at that short distance. But I want to get faster than that to prove JJ is right about us oldies can improve the pace despite ageing bodies!

Can't see me doing 16 mile training this year I'd rather get to grips with 6.2 miles races. But hey, I get my state pension next year....that might be an incentive for me to go for at least the half-m.

But our biggest blessing is being able to run at all as well as staying fit and well at our time of life! A couple of years ago when I was only doing inside treadmill running, a personal trainer 40 years old said he hoped he will be as fit as me when he gets past 60. Which made one think do most people give up just because of too many candles on their birthday cake?
18/03/2003 at 07:47
Hi L.imp I agree with all you say. I have many friends who think their age is a restricting factor in many things. It does not help that one has to pay a heftier travel insurance as one gets older. this just reinforces that we can be more prone to getting ill. However, our good health helps us to have good attitude. The staff at the gym, I go to, (like yourself) all say I am an inspiration to them all etc etc. I must say I always get a bit embarassed at this, I feel that I am no different to anyone else.

Well done on the fast 3 miles this will hold you in good stead for the pending 10k races.

Although, I have agreed with JJ about doing a marathon some time soonish. I am very scared about doing the extra 10 miles, that seems like a huge mountain. So I guess I can identfy with your feelings over 13 miles. which I promise you is relatively easy to achieve. given time. If I remember correctly getting to the 10 mile distance was the hardest, then it became easier to do the last 3 miles. It's all in the mind I'm told. Funny how one feels it in the body!!
19/03/2003 at 08:06
JJ, I am again impressed. I tend to keep my races quite far apart. Maybe because I have not yet been running as long as you. (Not yet 2 years). I seem to take long time to recover from a race, although that is getting easier each time.

Re feeling different etc. I feel different to my friends out of the gym situation, and yes you get all the stuff/rubbish you said, "I used to be a cross country runner, etc but like you they follow that with remarks like my knees are bad now etc etc" Well I could easily stop because of my knee, but I just run through it and in fact I think they are better since the running.
But in the gym, I happily chat to a 30 year old pacing away on the treadmill as if he was one of my contempories. Forgetting that I am twice his age!

Just for the record, after 30 odd years of skiing, (a good skier), I had a serious accident some 5 years ago. I had a helicoptor rescue off the mountain side after wrapping myself around a metal post at speed. This resulted in major abdominal surgery, and a couple of broken ribs. I am lucky to be here. The minor injuries were to my left shoulder and knee. I still have restricted movement in my shoulder, but so what. The knee became a problem and I had to give up tennis. Hence the running after a 17 year gap. It just did not like the twisting movements needed for tennis.I feel very proud of myself to be running competitively again. I have to say I have not tried skiing again, I do snow shoe walking instead which is great fun, and hard work too. I have nothing to proove to myself by skiing again.
19/03/2003 at 08:46
Bit of a drastic thing to do just to get a helicopter ride. Actually, you sound very lucky to be doing anything at all. You are obviously a natural athlete. I played rugby until aged 38/39 and by the time I was in my mid-50s I had developed all sorts of knee and foot problems including fallen arches in both feet. I decided to ignore advice about being careful etc.etc.and started running. First run/walk took me 1hr.10mins for 3.5 miles. Within three months everything had started to strenthen up and aches and pains began to ease as everything started to do its job properly. Within six months, no pains, no arch supports. I'm sure there's a moral there somewhere.
Anyway, I'm impressed. You are obviously a veteran recruit with huge potential.
20/03/2003 at 00:19
Hi all......
Just keeping the thread alive.
Yesterday gym only.
Today 5 miles including 2 miles + hill running. Methinks maybe the hills will improve legwork.
My only claim to accident fame was crashing into a cow on an Ariel Leader a few decades ago. Got away with suspected concussion,facial cuts and smashed teeth. Someone asked what happened to the cow...it was in the next ward.
Re: your escapades(JJ and Ceal) its just great how you both came through and still the envy of many a younger version to boot.
20/03/2003 at 08:04
JJ Well done to you too, ignoring the advice that is. I was supposed to have scans, surgery etc for my shoulder and knee. I just walked away from the advice. I will have surgery when my probelms prevent me from living life. I do not want to run the risk of making any problems WORSE.

I wish I was a natural athelete, I have to work hard at everything. However, I am very competitive. The brain has not brought me much accolade, so I have to depend on the body for any glory.

20/03/2003 at 08:26
What was a cow doing on an Ariel Leader?
I remember how people used to get the two stroke fuel mix wrong and they used to smoke like fury. Or was it that they were just clapped out?

Mental strength is as important as physical strength. For instance, you have to be strong to get out there in the first place. Such a person will always beat he ones who look for excuses not to go. I also refuse to overstate my mileage. So many people seem to be able to turn 5.5 miles into 6. If you are mentally strong enough to admit that you have only done 5.5 miles and therefore you must do another .5 to meet your target you are going to accumulate steadily (whoops, nearly split an infinitive there) a small fitness advantage. Theses are the things I associate with mental strength just as much as being able to try harder when it hurts.
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