P + D training for VLM 2013

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10/12/2012 at 10:05

Al runs - I'm not sure if you can defer a GFA place, I think you would need to ask them.  Hope the foot improves soon.

Keir - sorry can't help with a linky thing.

Another 40 mile week chalked  up despite the snow and ice.  Trying to get ready to start the plan next week. Although shouldn't be so bad as I'm already doing the start mileage.


10/12/2012 at 10:19


You can defer with injury once. You defer your guaranteed entry, but will need to  pay the fee for 2014,


10/12/2012 at 10:26
Also-ran is correct I had to do that last year with a stress fracture 1 week before the start but you will have to pay again in 2014. 15 miles yesterday with a few at MP for me and a swim this morning with a recovery run later this afternoon.
10/12/2012 at 10:38
10/12/2012 at 11:07

Thanks Teknik  

11/12/2012 at 09:11

P&D 18 weeks started this morning for Brighton, with 9M ( 4M @ HM-10M pace )

It's taken me since this thread began to decide what plan and when to start and i changed my mind a ridiculous number of times along the way. I toyed with the idea of HADD until mid January and then doing the 12 week plan but i'd be aiming for about the same mileage anyway so in the end thought " sod it " let's go for it. And i've been HADDING since March so time for a bit of a change

I was strangely nervous about starting as it seemed all sort of official  but i'm comfortable now in having a plan to follow and now i've got the first run done a calmness has descended on me  ...... i'm off and running as they say


Edited: 11/12/2012 at 09:13
11/12/2012 at 09:40

How was the tempo pace stuff Mace. Did it feel ok or a bit of a shock?

11/12/2012 at 10:07

Keir, not too bad as it goes, thanks. I've done a few longer ones recently anyway ( last one was 8M 2 weeks ago ) so not a total shock  If anything i was struggling a bit to get the HR up.

11/12/2012 at 10:30

Started the P&D Sub-55 mile plan today for VLM.  I've started a week early to give myself a buffer week in the event on injury/illness.

An 8 mile run with 4 miles at HM pace.  A bit of a shock running at "race" pace as I've been keeping it nice and easy since my last HM in mid-Oct, so after three miles I was feeling it but kept it going for the full four.  I think this is one of the benefits of the book, as I knew the purpose of the session so didn't want to cut it short.  On previous schedules I may have cut it short as it was only the first session, etc.

Also took encouragement from doing it in the dark & sub-zero temperatures, as (hopefully!) VLM in April should be a much nicer temperature.   


11/12/2012 at 11:05
Well done to those that have started!

I'm starting to sway towards doing the 12 week plan rather than the 18.

I'm having doubts whether ill stick to the plan over Xmas and I've got a half marathon in mid January so I'm thinking that I might be better building up more steady mileage, then start the 12 week plan at the end of Jan instead.

Has anybody had similar thoughts?
11/12/2012 at 11:45

mark - exactly those thoughts. The way i see it though is that if anything it should be easier to run over xmas ... not so many time constraints,  no work to get up for, more time to recover etc. I reckon i'd do the miles if i wasn't following the plan anyway. And if i was to miss a run over xmas so what, there's still another 15 or so weeks after ....

11/12/2012 at 13:15

Well I managed a total of 0.1 miles of running today.  I managed through the snow last week, but today was totally and utterly stopped by a very slippy pavement.  It would seem that very little gritting occurred last night and the traffic was going at a snail's pace due to the slidiness.  I just could not take a step without sliding so gave up. I didn't have time to get to the gym and then work and I'm at a night out tonight so I think this will have to be a cutback week.

11/12/2012 at 14:18
Mace- I think you are right, it's not worth getting too hung up about training over Christmas we've just gotta do what we can. I've got a lot of things happening including a wedding so ill be drunk for about a week!

I think I'm just going to stick loosely to the plan, make sure I hit the key sessions and then do whatever else I can after that.

Stutyr youve inspired me with your running this morning!
Just did 8 miles with 3 at half marathon pace, it made a nice change to run a bit quicker.
11/12/2012 at 14:33

If we are about to embark on a schedule whether its the up to 55 or 70 it surely proves that we have been  running close to the minimum mileage anyway so  a few missed sessions in the first couple of weeks will make no difference will it .. I have managed a few 45 /50 + weeks  recently and longest run was 16.5 (last week ) now I must resist the temptation to over cook it and step back this week ..

11/12/2012 at 15:04

Started my P&D revised plan now (somewhere between the 55 and 70 plans with some tweaks). Cross training yesterday (rowing) and as with others, first run session was the  lactate threhold run. I did the 9, including 5 miles LT. Must admit, the last LT mile couldn't finish soon enough for me - the novelty of running quicker had worn off by then.

I'm not too concerned about missing runs at Christmas. Its the endurance building phase, no daft non festive speed work for me! Things will get juggled about easily enough at this stage.

11/12/2012 at 15:09

Those of you planning a lay off over Xmas are missing a trick. A good portion of sprouts 2 hrs before a run gives you extra speed on your intervals. 

12/12/2012 at 07:36
Hi all, I just started training yesterday as well for Brighton. It's my first marathon and I realise using this plan is going to be a stretch. Have spent 8 weeks doing a Hadd style base with a long run each week of 12-14 miles after my first half (1:44) in September so crossing fingers I can handle it.

The 8M with 4M threshold yesterday was quite enjoyable and nice to be running faster again, slightly stiff waking up this morning but nothing major and now planning to run to work tomorrow morning (will be cold!) to fit in the planned 9M...
12/12/2012 at 16:38

12m MLR today. Run relatively sensibly throughout, but progressing pace towards the end up to marathon pace. Cross training day tomorrow then my schedule departs a bit from P&D as I am including some hill reps each week for strengthening purposes. I suffer ITBS if I drop the strengthing runs / workouts so will be keeping this in the plan. 

12/12/2012 at 17:13

Hi all, I thought it's about time I de-cloaked and came out of lurker status having followed this thread on-and-off since inception.  In other words I thought I'd post a reply .

I've had the Advanced Marathoning book for quite a while, but couldn't make my mind up whether to follow it or not.  It's mainly the higher midweek miles that I've perceived as a problem, but I've decided to make time and give it a go.

My first run was last night (18 week, up to 55m schedule) in preparation for Brighton. During my 4m threshold run, it felt uncomfortable for a couple of miles, then felt easier   In the end I had no problem completing the run and my heart rate, if anything, was a little on the low side of my threshold range.

I haven't sorted out anything for the XT days yet.  So today is a rest day 

Higher midweek mileage is a change for me, so this is something of an experiment.  There is so much information to take in!

12/12/2012 at 20:58

I found the mid week mileage the hardest run to fit in lifestyle wise as well Tenjiso. But after the long run, I think this is probably the most important run overall. Not quite so important in the early days, but for the last 12 weeks a mid week 12 - 16miler makes such a difference. Means early mornings / late nights or work flexbility though!

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