P + D training for VLM 2013

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05/04/2013 at 09:17
JF50 wrote (see)

My long run count will be after Sunday, 2 x 16, 2 x 18, 3 x 20, 2 x 22.  172 miles.  All done on cake and coffee, not a garibaldi in sight

Oooo Stats - count me in! 

2x16; 2x18; 3x20; 1x22 = 150m

05/04/2013 at 09:55

Stat me up:

4 x 16,  2 x 17, 2 x 18, 3 x 20, 1 x 21, 1 x 22 = 237M*

If the MP runs don't count then I lose 18, 17, 17, 16 which reduces LR mileage to 169M

Edited: 05/04/2013 at 10:00
05/04/2013 at 09:57

 I feel inadequate 

05/04/2013 at 10:01

Ten - Sorry, my edit might help with that

05/04/2013 at 10:11

 I feel even more inadequate 

Have I got time to make up the mileage and do more MP runs in my last week?

05/04/2013 at 10:17

HeOw best way to drink fresh Beet is with a peg - over your nose. It is proper goppin.

My long runs are 2 x16, 2x20,2x21,1x22 - Hopefully will be enough.

12 miles for me last night at MP+60 and MP+30 to finish twice round 10k course on Sunday. Not totally flat nut no major hills.



05/04/2013 at 10:21

See, HeOw, Ten is calling it an MLR even though it is on a Sunday.

Stats! Though obviously NP will just come along and win this game later on. I'm not counting anything under 17, mainly because I don't seem to have done any 16s. But I am counting MP runs because they're just long runs but even harder.

2x17, 1x18, 1x18.6, 1x19.4, 2x20, 1x21, 2x22 = 195

05/04/2013 at 10:26
literatin wrote (see)


2x17, 1x18, 1x18.6, 1x19.4, 2x20, 1x21, 2x22 = 195

Ooh I'll have to revisit and add in the bits after the decimal places, could be another couple of miles, won't feel quite so bad then when NP posts a couple of thousand miles!

05/04/2013 at 10:30

Well, I didn't do the .02 bits! But everyone else'll probably just look down on us for not running round the block a few times to make it up to a round number.

05/04/2013 at 10:51

In any case, it's doing exactly the 18m with 14m @ MP which is the real key in the P&D schedule.  It clearly states that it's the most important run and that failing to do it exactly as stated in the schedule invalidates all other long runs. See page 250. 

05/04/2013 at 11:03

I have the yet to be published latest version which I am proof reading for me old mucker Pfitz - or P guy as I call him. He advocates the 15m progressive, suggesting that you have to be a nailed on superstar elite athlete and generally all round decent bloke to finish it. I did mine this Monday.

(Not all of the above is true)

05/04/2013 at 12:58

You didn't realise that was actually a typo then Men?  It is being amended prior to publication.

05/04/2013 at 13:03

We are all amazing, I give us that.  Well, in terms of this thread we are, not sure about the "real world".  We have done brilliant folks.  Seriously, these plans are probably the hardest "amateur" marathon plans on the shelf, I have missed a bit but mileage wise, only about 30 miles.   I am looking forward to my 16 MILE LONG RUN next week, it is to be done day after a tune up race though.  I have a Borders League race I could do Wednesday so may do that. But I won't be running 12 miles week before Ten - don't see the point really, better to be fresher than tired.  I will do 10 miles. 

05/04/2013 at 13:42

HeOw - I'll make up my mind for sure mid-run on Sunday.   It will be no more than 12m though.

My legs feel so much better now that I've completed today's five miles with strides!  I've just printed a four hour marathon pace band, in case they don't have any at the Brighton Expo.  I can't quite believe I'll be there this time next week!

Only fly in the ointment at the moment is that my son hasn't yet shown any signs of Chicken Pox.  My best hope now is that he doesn't break out until after the marathon.  The kids are really looking forward to going to Brighton and have been for ages. 

05/04/2013 at 14:01

I like the challenge of the arithmetic on the way round rather than use a band.  And using average pace on the Garmin is just a godsend

05/04/2013 at 14:36

just had a very sluggish 10 mile jog / plod. thankfully it's a slow day at work otherwise i don't know when i'd have fit it in.

avg 10min/miles and my legs felt heavy and my whole body felt lethargic.

have final 20 miler this weekend. hope that feels a little better :-\

05/04/2013 at 14:45

Ten - I was going to suggest that you could make a final decision on the length of run while you were out.  If the legs are really feeling weary then I wouldn't bother with the extra couple of miles as it is unlikely to make much difference at this stage.

Also just a wee reminder. Remember that you might want to clear the lap record on your Garmin if you record all the laps on every run, which I think you must because you give all your splits on here and not just an average. The last thing you want is for it too be full after a mile or something.  This is not something I have too much of a problem with as I set all my workouts on Training Centre and then upload so a whole session is a lap unless intervals.

HeOw - I have that combination of runs this weekend and I'm not sure I'm looking forward to 16 miles after racing parkrun tomorrow. The only plus is that it is ONLY 16 miles and not 20

JF50 - I quick like the sums too, it passes the time and diverts the mind. However, if you muck up then you may not be so happy with yourself!


05/04/2013 at 15:19

Fiona - that certainly makes sense.  I found that 16m run as hard as the previous 20m run having raced parkrun and run some MP miles the day before.

JF50 - your brain clearly operates on less oxygen than mine.  I struggle to count to ten in a race, never mind multiply 9:09 by more than two miles 

05/04/2013 at 15:30

Ten - an incentive to run 9 seconds faster?

05/04/2013 at 16:02
literatin wrote (see)

Ten - an incentive to run 9 seconds faster?

Lits got it, don't mess about with odd seconds

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