P + D training for VLM 2013 - Page 90 - Training

HeOw

07/02/2013 at 15:17

Literatin - I used to use the Defyance but found I needed to replace them pretty quick. The glycerin more expensive (I only buy them on sale) but seem to get longer from them.

NN - don't be daft, if you tried a lighter shoe (not a racing flat though!) you'd see huge difference when you do tempo or a race. It's a bit more extravagant to hand different shoe but it's definitely helped me get my tempo pace down and I forgot to wear my Adidas on club handicap and my Brooks just felt like bricks on my feet (think I ran between 5k and 10k pace for 3.5 miles) and I really felt they dragged me down. I suppose it's just what suits each person. I couldn't do past 10 miles in the Adizero though.

craigtdavies

07/02/2013 at 15:34

Only ran 3 marathons, my first effort was a few years ago, only ran to get round, 3:45, then a nightmare late this year, ran Chester injured with 3 weeks dropped training, managed a 3:33, it was the most unenjoyable expereince of my life, then on the back of that still not fully fit ran Snowdonia Marathon, took it steady and managed a 3:45. Now injury free I feel in around or below 3 hour pace. Learnt a massive lesson in regards to marathon, dropping 3 weeks and injury, I was literally put to the sword at Chester, I should not have run it, but as I say lesson learnt.

Edited: 07/02/2013 at 15:35

chickadeee

07/02/2013 at 16:12

HeOw wrote (see)

Literatin - I used to use the Defyance but found I needed to replace them pretty quick. The glycerin more expensive (I only buy them on sale) but seem to get longer from them.

NN - don't be daft, if you tried a lighter shoe (not a racing flat though!) you'd see huge difference when you do tempo or a race. It's a bit more extravagant to hand different shoe but it's definitely helped me get my tempo pace down and I forgot to wear my Adidas on club handicap and my Brooks just felt like bricks on my feet (think I ran between 5k and 10k pace for 3.5 miles) and I really felt they dragged me down. I suppose it's just what suits each person. I couldn't do past 10 miles in the Adizero though.

NN: completely agree with HeOw there. I think you and I are in the same pace range and I progressed over the years from Asics GT 21xx to the lightweight Sauconys I wear these days. I find Kinvaras supportive enough to do all my running in them. The Fastwitches are ok for 5 & 10k stuff, maybe 10 miles but no more. Although I know people that run marathons in them! Couldn't EVER go back to GT bricks . Give it a go when you are not marathon training and are doing less miles.

craigtdavies

07/02/2013 at 16:35

Find Fastwitch 5's great for any distance, from 5K to Marathon, also my Saucony Kinvaras, ran 32 mile trail run in them, faultless.

HeOw

07/02/2013 at 16:54

To me my Brooks highly cushioned shoe are for when I'm am plodding doing high mileage but I used to wear Adidas pre marathon and would bin Brooks full stop if I wasn't do much more than 13 miles. They truly do make a difference to legs. I did my tempo other night in my Adizero Feathers (only ??59 in Cheshire Oaks outlet shop) and I fly in them in comparison to attempting tempo in my Brooks. The Adidas Adizero Tempos are my favourite though and I could definitely marathon train in them - they are more cushioned than the Feathers. I have average width feet and go up a whole size in Adidas.

HeOw

07/02/2013 at 16:58

Craig I agree, I don't think I would bother running marathon unless I was 100% fit, uninjured and trained correctly. I doubt I'd even run it with a cold. I would just bank the training and find a marathon as soon as I could. It only leads to disappointment. Obviously a niggle is expected but when it's such a hard distance, you can't wing it. Well done on great Borders League too, just watch how faster you get over next 12 weeks! You have so much more in you. Andy did well I see...!

Night Nurse

07/02/2013 at 17:09

So are 2160s etc known as a heavy shoe then ? I really have never though about it, I just know I stay injury free and put it down to the correct trainers for me

Chick thanks I will check out info the Kinvaras as I really have no idea where to start. I have got to the age where I need to make changes in order to improve just a bit, I have even booked up to do some twatty Pilate's next week..should be interesting..I will blame Literatin if I am in agony for days after....I am also going to a body balance class with a mate on Tues, hope I can still find time to run over 60 miles !!

Craigt...I did Snowdonia a couple of years ago ...took me nearly 4.5 hours !! howling and p***ing down I wore a binliner for the first 10 miles...

Edited: 07/02/2013 at 17:09

HeOw

07/02/2013 at 17:19

I am thinking of going for a slightly lighter shoe than the Brooks as I'm ready for new pair and the Brooks are expensive. Will look at Saucony - which female ones are good?

HeOw

07/02/2013 at 17:29

these ones?

I have an £100 voucher for Up and Running - are these ok for marathon training? I don't think they had these in the shop when I tried a load on. I am pretty flexible re trainers, most suit me (bar Asics) so could definitely order them online and if they are no good, return. I think I will...

craigtdavies

07/02/2013 at 17:30

Cheers Helen, Andy was quick, he had a pb by a minute on the five mile course, which was on a race track, I developed a stitch 2 mile out, very nearly quit, but crossed in a 29:27, I know if no stitch I was looking sub 29, think Andy was just under 27 in 3rd. Next for me is Wrexham, looking forward to this after not running Helsby, anyway out for a recovery 5, normal Thursday for the last 6 month have been a track session with club.

literatin

07/02/2013 at 17:32

Night Nurse wrote (see)

So are 2160s etc known as a heavy shoe then ? I really have never though about it, I just know I stay injury free and put it down to the correct trainers for me

Same here -- I've always just stuck to the shoes that seemed to keep me free of injuries. But at least now if my LT run is rubbish on Friday I can just blame my heavy shoes!

Night Nurse

07/02/2013 at 17:33

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Same here -- I've always just stuck to the shoes that seemed to keep me free of injuries. But at least now if my LT run is rubbish on Friday I can just blame my heavy shoes!

Ah that is why I a slow !! poor core too fat and bricks for trainers...lol

So what trainer size is everyone ? bet mine are the biggest of the women on here

I will only tell when you have ?

Edited: 07/02/2013 at 17:35

literatin

07/02/2013 at 17:35

5/38 but I'm also SHORT.

Night Nurse

07/02/2013 at 17:37

WHAT !!! christ you are tiny how short are you ?

7.5 size trainers for me

So lit..you can get away with kids trainers ..cheaper !!

Edited: 07/02/2013 at 17:39

literatin

07/02/2013 at 17:41

well, 5 is not that tiny, but I'm really only moderately short at 5'4. Sometimes when people run faster than me I pretend it is because they have longer legs.

pottermiss

07/02/2013 at 17:41

Mine are 9.5 NN can you beat that? Oh and I have a pair of 10s also

pottermiss

07/02/2013 at 17:44

Sorry to post and run, literally, will catch up soon

Night Nurse

07/02/2013 at 17:50

Pottermiss I usually have the biggest feet when this discussion comes up either here on at work..so this makes a nice change....I always say though I love my feet..they may be big but they plod out the miles injury free..

I must say though feet are getting bigger in general ..

Lit 5 is tiny I honestly cant ever remember being smaller then a 6 even when I was about 13 !! and 5.4 isnt that short really I thought you were going to say 5.1 or something..I am just scraping 5.6...

Edited: 07/02/2013 at 17:51

Chris J77

07/02/2013 at 18:02

Uh oh. A discussion on shoe size. This could go down hill rapidly given past discussions. Ha

Debating whether to do LT tonight or tomorrow night. Ah, decisions decisions.

Night Nurse

07/02/2013 at 18:08

Chris..it just goes to show who has that kind of mind..!! you....I thought the blokes would come on here and say oh here we go a girlie chat about shoes.. but no