P&D Autumn Marathon Training Thread 2014

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10/05/2014 at 23:17

Using P&D for the first time in prep for Robin Hood Marathon (Nottingham). Aiming to bring my PB down from 3:26 to sub 3:15.

Starting 1st week of June for a September 28th Marathon.

Which marathon are you training for?

Any advice on getting the most out of the training schedule would be much appreciated.






10/05/2014 at 23:20

Which of the plans are you using? 55, 70 etc? 

11/05/2014 at 06:04
'Just' the 55, which will be a big step up as I've run my previous 4 marathons off much less volume (25-35mi/wk).

And you?
11/05/2014 at 08:30

Oi!  Some of us are still doing spring marathons

11/05/2014 at 23:18

55 mile schedule

Saturday, Week11 

'General aerobic + speed 7m (11km) w/8 x 100 m strides p.m'

What does the p.m mean? It is the only time it appears on the schedule, can only think it means afternoon/evening run.

Any ideas?


11/05/2014 at 23:40

Ignore it. We have previously decided its a misprint from an older edition when there was two runs that day. 

12/05/2014 at 00:28

Thanks DT19, thought It was just me!

12/05/2014 at 10:28

Loch Ness for me 28th sept , so also starting the first week in June ,

loosely followed these schedules before they make you a string runner . 

Did 3.45 in London this year ( I'm 52) hoping to improve on that in September 

12/05/2014 at 10:34
Madbee wrote (see)

Oi!  Some of us are still doing spring marathons

I was wondering where all the posts had gone ... then realised it was a new Autumn thread!



Steve Trotter 2 wrote (see)

Using P&D for the first time in prep for Robin Hood Marathon (Nottingham). Aiming to bring my PB down from 3:26 to sub 3:15.

Starting 1st week of June for a September 28th Marathon.

Which marathon are you training for?

Any advice on getting the most out of the training schedule would be much appreciated.



Also considering Nottingham ... would prefer Chester but I think I will have to take my daughter back to Uni that day. Have you done it before?

12/05/2014 at 12:41


I'm running Snowdonia Marathon on Oct 25th, and starting the 55mile/18week schedule on 15th June.

I'm starting a week early to give me some buffer for illness/injury etc and also to make the plan align with a local half marathon in the 5th week (where the plan has 13 miles at marathon pace).  I would recommend the early start as there's a good chance in 18 weeks that life will get in the way, and its much easier and less stressful to postpone a session than decide which ones are missed completely. 

Previously used the same plan for last year's London Marathon, finishing in 3:30:15.  This was slower than planned, but that was due to other things than the plan.

For Snowdonia, a PB with a sub-3:30 is the ambition - but due to the toughness of the course I'll be happy to complete it. 



17/05/2014 at 11:37

Hello, I will be running Abingdon Marathon on 19th October and following the 55-70 mile/18week schedule  

Sure this thread will kick off more in June when everyones schedules begin to start.

Until then good luck with all your running

21/05/2014 at 15:53

Yes I'm doing Frankfurt, using 70 - 85 18 or 12 weeks depending how long my track season lasts

21/05/2014 at 16:18

Hi folks. Using 18/55 (starting early June 14, can't remember the exact date!) for my 1st marathon in October. I've done the first week (33mi) quite a few times already.

Question: on week 1 Tuesday, he prescribes a LT run - 8mi with 4 @ HM race pace.

I've been doing this as 4 mi @ HM race pace, then trying to kick up a gear to LT pace. It seems to me I might have misinterpreted the schedule. Is it supposed to be 4mi at general aerobic pace, then kick up to HMRP?

21/05/2014 at 16:32

xmjsx- I followed that schedule for my spring marathon and I interpreted it as 4miles aerobic pace with 4miles at HM race pace.


21/05/2014 at 16:40

Scott Pulley - thank you. I've been thinking about it and the more I did the less what I was doing made sense! Your interpretation is no doubt correct.

I saw a quote from Pfitz himself saying "The tempo runs I use for my athletes most frequently are four to six miles at 15K to half-marathon race pace."

So to be doing 4 @ HM race pace then another 4 slightly faster is crackers!

21/05/2014 at 16:46

Yeah guess doing 4 at hm pace and then another 4 faster wouldn't be a bad progression session though. Although extremely hard I'd imagine. What marathon you doing in October xmjsx?

21/05/2014 at 16:56

Hello! Just blundering in here because it was at the top of the recent threads list and I was looking for the spring thread. I think it would be a massive injury risk, unless you are also planning to warm up before launching straight into HMP. I think it is 3 miles easy, 4 miles LT (which is the same as HMP if you can run a HM in around an hour), 1 mile cool-down.

21/05/2014 at 22:48

literatin - yes that makes sense! I am wishing I can do a HM in an hour 

Scott - doing the Chester marathon. As I say, it's my first so shooting for 3:29...

22/05/2014 at 10:45

I found the following link quite useful as it provides a summary of each session type in a single place (NB I think the schedule at the bottom of the web page is from the first edition of the book, so may be different to the current book)


If you have a look at the description of the LT run, you'll see '8m with 4@ HM' would be 4m at LT pace after 2 to 3 miles warm-up, leaving a 1 to 2 mile cool down.


23/05/2014 at 07:21

I think it's worth noting that Pfitz says that the HM pace is really only for faster runners - most of us should be running LT runs quite a bit quicker than HM pace.  For example when I started I picked the easy end of the paces - my HM at the time was 8:30 miling, my LT was actually closer to 7:30.  So bear in mind that the LT runs should feel hard, even when it's 'only' four miles.  He describes LT pace as a pace that could be sustained in a race effort for around an hour.

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