P&D Autumn Marathon Training Thread

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30/04/2013 at 22:40
karenives wrote (see)

err sorry, forgot to say,  I know you are all doing P&D plans so hope you dont mind me asking about a different one

I don't think anyone minds, just that we might not know! I've only done P&D but you might like it, because the 18-week version has (at least) the 5 long runs in but also lets you do them a bit quicker than some marathon plans suggest.

30/04/2013 at 22:42

Karen - I've used the RW plans before and never got sub 4. P&D use a mixture of marathon paced stuff and plenty long runs compared to the RW plan I think. I would recommend P&D especially if you are already doing 35-40 miles (or more) per week. See Lit's link above for the book which as she says is full of useful info on why you do the different runs.

Tiny - my HR monitor is never snug as I can't get it any tighter . I was thinking I might have to do surgery on it! I just make it sit under the band of my sports bra.

30/04/2013 at 22:44

For some reason couldn't finish that post .

Of course my last statement might not apply depending on gender ...

30/04/2013 at 22:45

karen - jib the other plans and join in ours.  The RW ones are ridiculously too fast for the long runs.  I can't see any gains to running at race pace the faster and more marathons you get.  I think for first, most people do (I did for mine) but as time has gone on, the faster I am trying to run my marathons, the less miles at pace I could manage without combusting.  I agree with Fiona, HRM way to go and I do think I will have to get mine fixed so I am not expecting too much from Chester pace wise.  I do think we get fixated on running X pace but sometimes, we just aren't ready.  Heart rate never lies. 

Tiny - my HM time pre my first marathon (Manchester 2012) was 1:45:17 and I did 4:06 at Manchester (epic fail with weather though) and like Lit says, I ran 26.2 miles in training, in the same time! My HM pre Chester last year was 1:44:17, I did a 3:54:37.   My HM time pre Manchester this weekend was 1:41:13 and I did 3:52:05 but that really was slower than I am capable of (without sounding a twat) as I had a really crap experience and it messed up final few miles.  I reckon had race gone to plan, would have pipped sub 3:50 just.  So, you are more than capable of a sub 4 if you train well and don't start too fast. 

30/04/2013 at 22:48

Hi, would love to join you once I've cleared my plans for Chester with the wife.  Did Stratford on Sunday after P&D up to 55 mile 12 weeker, after which she hopefully asked if I was retiring from running marathons.  Aiming to use the 18 week plan this time round, and goal is to go under 3:20 (well - dream goal would be to go under 3:15 but when I set out to do 3.15 at Abingdon in 2011 it all went HeOw's way ie 'shit')

30/04/2013 at 23:00

Thank you I will take a proper gander at this one

30/04/2013 at 23:28

Thanks for the link literatin! I (randomly) assumed 'P'&'D' stood for Pace & Distance....whoops! 

01/05/2013 at 07:11

Fiona can I ask what your current HM pb is especially as you acheived the time I am hoping for.

My current HM pb is 1:47 despite it being a pb it was a bit of a shit run, and I laboured over the last couple of miles. Really need to focus on sorting my pacing out as that is where I seriously f**k up. Am hoping that with P&D as you have some runs at race pace that may sort it out - I must resist the urge to run 7:30 min miles as that can only be sustained for 10k .

ladyfunrun definately buy the book really interesting read - thank god its a running forum otherwise people would think that I am a complete sad case 

01/05/2013 at 08:06

Lisa - my HM PB is 1:47:13 but that was August last year. I haven't run a half this year at all but I think it would have dropped further following the plan as everyone else's did. I shaved 30 secs off my 5k. I think with that sort of preplan PB a stub 4 goal is not unreasonable with the proper training.

01/05/2013 at 08:20
HeOw wrote (see)

Tiny - my HM time pre my first marathon (Manchester 2012) was 1:45:17 and I did 4:06 at Manchester (epic fail with weather though) and like Lit says, I ran 26.2 miles in training, in the same time! My HM pre Chester last year was 1:44:17, I did a 3:54:37.   My HM time pre Manchester this weekend was 1:41:13 and I did 3:52:05 but that really was slower than I am capable of (without sounding a twat) as I had a really crap experience and it messed up final few miles.  I reckon had race gone to plan, would have pipped sub 3:50 just.  So, you are more than capable of a sub 4 if you train well and don't start too fast. 

Thanks for that HeOw. No, you didn't sound like a twat! You've instilled a bit of hope in me that I'm not being overly ambitious with a 3:59 target.  I know it's going to require a lot of hard work though.

Fiona - good tip about the sports bra, will try that.

Literatin - no knickers?! Floozy

Lisa - it sounds as though we may be at a similar pace. Are you going for the 'upto 55' plan or '55-70'?

01/05/2013 at 08:20

Hi all, can I join in? After reading your comments on P&D I'm sold. Ordered the book, just waiting for it to arrive. I'm doing Chester in Oct and would love to get that sub 4 which I missed at VLM. 

01/05/2013 at 08:31

I used RW to get me a 3.13 at Chester 2012 and used P&D to sneak under the 3hrs at VLM - I didnt follow either of them vebatim but did put a bit more effort and consistency into the P&D.

You need at least 5 x 20 runs in marathon prep (or your 5 longest runs should add up to 100 miles) and they must be done sloooooow.(but with maybe a couple of PMP miles chucked in toward the end)

HeOw - Am toying with Chester or Snowdon - Maybe for fun and maybe as an unofficial pacer depending upon how training goes.

Seems that theres a lot of people on here with very similar aspirations.

01/05/2013 at 08:34

Right found you. 

I am an advocate of P & D,  I followed their 18 week up to 55 mile schedule for VLM,  I haven't booked an autumn marathon but I do have a new copy of their Road Racing for Serious Runners , I can swear when really riled, am I allowed to post on here?

01/05/2013 at 08:38

Wow - you're all here!

I too am an advocate of P&D, have followed the P&D 18/70 schedule twice and has worked for me. Saying that I am in two minds whether to follow for Chester in the autumn...quite like to trim the mileage but keep the key stuff (long, tempo, less so the intervals).

Anyone new planning on following these need to start builiding up their base mileage from now till June before starting.

01/05/2013 at 09:56

Wait for me.....

JF50 wrote (see)

Right found you. 

I am an advocate of P & D,  I followed their 18 week up to 55 mile schedule for VLM,  I haven't booked an autumn marathon but I do have a new copy of their Road Racing for Serious Runners , I can swear when really riled, am I allowed to post on here?

Do they really have another book, before I search Amazon - if not, why has no one told me?!!

 

01/05/2013 at 10:05

Tiny - 

Did my first marathon in 3.59 with a half PB of 1.53, limited/vague training

Did my second marathon in 3.39 with a half PB of 1.47, following the P+D 55 plan, but didn't follow it to the letter or the law and substituted most of the recovery runs for x-training or fell walking.

So....my point is, Tiny - you will smash a sub 4, especially if you follow P+D religiously. And, if it reassures you further, I found my first marathon 'easy' as the pace is slower than a half. OK, you have to go twice as far, but I found going further, slower easier. 

01/05/2013 at 10:11

Shazmo - yes they have another book for 5k to marathons...has a lot of the same info in it as Advanced Marathoning but has schedules for all distances covered which are less specific - just gives you what you need to achieve per week, does not set out a daily schedule (well, doesn't in my copy).

01/05/2013 at 10:18

Excellent - something to spend the redundancy money on. Wonder if they do a P+D book for fell running 

01/05/2013 at 10:29
Shazmo wrote (see)

Excellent - something to spend the redundancy money on. Wonder if they do a P+D book for fell running 

They include some notes on xcountry.  I got it yesterday, about £8 or something so hopefully not too much out of the redundancy.  Sorry to hear about that, hope you find something good quickly.

DM8
01/05/2013 at 10:31

Hi, I would like to join you as well - looks like it could be fun! I am going to run the Edinburgh marathon in a few weeks and then plan to do P+D 55-70 plan for Chester in October. Desperately want to get sub 3.15 and really think I can get there with some focus.

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