Someone called No Pain who was on the other P&D thread was probably speedier than me and he's over 50...so age not necessarily a factor, although obviously it does play it's part!
Well, I certainly can't run that fast (or not for very long) but re. age, a clubmate who used to be a sub-2.30 marathon runner (but now isn't) reckons there is research to show that the older people who are really fast are the ones who haven't been doing it that many years. So you've every chance of massive improvement if you've not been pounding out huge mileages since your schooldays.
On a less cheerful note, he also estimates that I've got about 5 years left before it's all downhill!
Yeah, sorry, just wanted to use the word 'codger'.
I might join in: to be honest, I'm not following P&D, but using Steve Smythe's 4.15 training plan I got off the RW website. Might be interesting to compare the approaches. Its not as intensive as P&D 55: maxes out at 46 miles a week.
I ran 4.32 at Brighton last year, after following a 'get you round' plan. Steve Smythe's plan has more speed work, and running more days, so I'm hoping for a bit of an improvement. Desperate to get going, but the plan starts mid-June.
I stuck to the P&D 55-70 and went from a 3:34 to a 2:53 marathon. I followed the plan more or less to the letter. I think my 3:34 marathon time was not really an accurate time as I ran it injured. I ran the 2:53 in Manchester on Sunday and felt like there was more left when I finfished and could of possibly ran it harder. I am targeting Chester this year sub 2:50 again following the same plan as I did for Manchester.
ACP - I did most of my GA runs about 20 secs per mile slower than marathon goal pace. Same with my LSRs. I know this is frowned upon but I actually found it hard running at a 'jog' pace, always felt my form (which isn't great at the best of times) was going out of the window. Saying that, I did hardly any of the recovery sessions - I cross trained or fell walked, so maybe I had fresher legs to do quicker GA and LSRs. Either way, it didn't do me any harm cos I got a 20 min PB on Sunday
Lit, there's hope for me yet! I'm 44 and have only been running 'properly' for about 3 years.
Shazmo - that actually sounds closer to what I might do this time...run my long, mid and general runs a bit quicker and possibly skip some of the recovery runs altogether. On the other hand I might not. Don't know whether I'm coming or going at the moment.
ACP, I think the GA runs are a bit of a red herring, because they actually only seem to use that term for runs that are longer than recovery runs and shorter than MLRs (medium-long runs), so about 7-11 miles, and after the first few weeks there weren't really any in the plan anyway. I think I just ran them at an easy but not boring pace.
Lit - I can't remember exactly how long the last LT was. Did you skip that one?
I ran the GA runs, which Lit is right were mainly in the early part of the schedule, blind to an extent, just the pace my body wanted to run, they ended up being about the same as my MP-10%
Lit I think you bunked out of the 14miles at MP, said it wasn't important
I DID NOT! I ran it in a horrific headwind after spending 5 hours climbing ropes in a freezing cold gym when I was already limp and exhausted. Grr.
I may have skipped one of the LT runs cos I'd just done a half marathon.
Oh I know we all discussed something about this, probably about 50 pages a go on the original thread so perhaps I have the wrong run
I think I said (after I had done it) that it was the most important run, and that anyone who had skipped it was doomed to failure.
DM8 - you are probably at your peak for distance running - many runners do their best times in their forties.
I only started running at 49 and did my first marathon at 50 and my first sub 3 at 54 - you have plenty of time!
GA are 10%slower than MP I think but he does say what they should be in the book.
I didnt run my first mara till i was just in my 40s and went sub 3 at the age of 43. I guess 3-4 years seems to be a good period of time to see decent improvement. Obviously something to do with endurance.
One Gear - that is good to know. Wait until I tell my wife I am at my peak - I can hear her laughing already! Sub 3 at 54 is amazing....
DM8 - your wife's response will probably be similar to mine when having done my first marathon at 50 in 3:12, I solemnly declared that I was now officially "Good For Age"
For my next trick, I mean err, plan, I am going to run EVERYTHING at race pace. Become a one pace pony. I shall call this plan "pace or bust". Anyone in?
Only if we can do it at 5k pace.
JF50 wrote (see)
I ran the GA runs, which Lit is right were mainly in the early part of the schedule, blind to an extent, just the pace my body wanted to run, they ended up being about the same as my MP-10% Lit I think you bunked out of the 14miles at MP, said it wasn't important
literatin wrote (see)
I DID NOT! I ran it in a horrific headwind after spending 5 hours climbing ropes in a freezing cold gym when I was already limp and exhausted. Grr. I may have skipped one of the LT runs cos I'd just done a half marathon.
NO SHE DID NOT !!
In fact lit and I were actually the only ones who did that session properly, everyone else did their own version...from 12 @ MP to you JF50 who had to go one better and do 20/14..
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