P&D Autumn Marathon Training Thread

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01/05/2013 at 21:35

I DID 20 with 14 too!  **gets prize for being mega twat**

01/05/2013 at 21:37

I did it..in Kinvaras    prize for bigger twat !!

Edited: 01/05/2013 at 21:38
01/05/2013 at 21:39

Ahhh.  Yes. You do. 

01/05/2013 at 21:46

Oh dont argue then 

01/05/2013 at 21:53

Thanks for the replies regarding GA pace. I think I'll stick to somewhere between LSR and recovery pace. A 9 mile GA run will then take me about 1.5 hours! I can see some 4.30am starts looming!

Whose idea was this P&D training anyway?!

01/05/2013 at 21:58

Al Runs idea ACP. I spread the word to a fair few peeps though.  Funny, they all ignore me now. 

01/05/2013 at 22:11

Acp, my edition of P&D actually doesn't recommend a specific pace for GA runs at all, just says it should be steady and 'moderate effort'. I think you should just run them at a pace that's enjoyable. For me, that would be pretty similar to LSR pace, which is marathon pace +10-20%.

01/05/2013 at 23:26

I only did 16 w/12@MP, and that was hard enough, this time round I'm going to do more runs with some MP at the end, and more hill work, 

02/05/2013 at 01:07

Well I don't want to brag, but I did 22 miles, with all 22 at MP.....but it was kind of by accident 

02/05/2013 at 07:36

Crikey this thread moves on at a pace, probably related to how fast you all run!

Fiona good to hear that your HM time is similar to mine.

Shazmo bloody good improvement there and I would suggest that you HM time would also be a lot quicker now....so you can brag all you like 

Still ploughing through the book, slightly worried about the recommended high carb diet as I generally try and avoid high GI foods - and I haven't eaten pasta, white bread or sugary foods etc for nearly 2 years & get most of my carbs from vegetables and berries.

Looking forward to getting started, I love a plan to follow it brings out my twattish OCD tendancies 

02/05/2013 at 07:55

Lisa, I don't eat a high carb diet either; I just didn't bother with that bit. Anyway I don't think P&D are the nutrition gurus as all they seem to say about it most of the time is 'like most runners you probably already have a high-carb diet'.

02/05/2013 at 08:30
HeOw wrote (see)

For my next trick, I mean err, plan, I am going to run EVERYTHING at race pace.  Become a one pace pony. I shall call this plan "pace or bust".  Anyone in? 

In the words of Duncan Bannatyne........."Ahm oooooot"

02/05/2013 at 08:31

Well....running uses a lot of energy, and we get most of our energy from carbs. It doesn't matter what sort've carbs, low or High or whatever...but I guess low GI is healthier?? I find when I get above 50 miles a week I increase my food intake because I'm always so hungry. Is porridge low GI? I have that every morning and that works well....and when I'm up to about 70 miles a week I have a few bowls of cereal/muesli during the day. I love it. Saying that, Lisa (and Fiona?) both had low carb diets and did ok, so maybe it's just what your body is used to. It is actually probably good to run some of your mid/long runs depleted of carbs so you get better at using fat for energy - we all have plenty of that apparently.

In other news I am thinking of tweaking the schedules so will be somewhere between the 55 and 70 plans...maybe add more tempo runs into the mix...

Edited: 02/05/2013 at 08:32
02/05/2013 at 08:32
Lisa123 wrote (see)

Looking forward to getting started, I love a plan to follow it brings out my twattish OCD tendancies 

Snap! And I just love crossing out a session after I've completed it. It's the little things in life

02/05/2013 at 09:59

Glad it's not just me that likes the crossing out!

I've been putting my training schedule for Chester together since January (!) and started it this week - only to come down with the nastiest, stinkiest cold ever and have now already missed one training run! Hope this isn't a sign of things to come!

02/05/2013 at 10:17
Night Nurse wrote (see)
JF50 wrote (see)

I ran the GA runs,  which Lit is right were mainly in the early part of the schedule, blind to an extent, just the pace my body wanted to run, they ended up being about the same as my MP-10%

Lit I think you bunked out of the 14miles at MP, said it wasn't important

literatin wrote (see)

I DID NOT! I ran it in a horrific headwind after spending 5 hours climbing ropes in a freezing cold gym when I was already limp and exhausted. Grr.

I may have skipped one of the LT runs cos I'd just done a half marathon.


In fact lit and I were actually the only ones who did that session properly, everyone else did their own version...from 12 @ MP to you JF50 who had to go one better and do 20/14..

Great memory NN, I think I did it because I tweaked the plan to fit a half marathon race in, so missed the 14MP, needed to get another 20 miler in, so combined the two.  I can remember the run because the roads were so bloody awful with snow and ice and the weather was Siberian with a wind so icy I'm still thawing bits out today  Love winter running

02/05/2013 at 10:36

ACP - maybe you should defer.

02/05/2013 at 10:48

I think that might be over-reacting slightly....!!! But I'm not happy - I've missed my first 9M GA run - are my marathon plans now doomed to failure?!

02/05/2013 at 11:06

ACP - what plan you following and for which race? If it's Chester seems a bit early...

02/05/2013 at 11:18


15West wrote (see)

ACP - maybe you should defer.


acp wrote (see)

I think that might be over-reacting slightly....!!! But I'm not happy - I've missed my first 9M GA run - are my marathon plans now doomed to failure?!


That's just 15 trying to be funny  Which he does with mixed results btw


Edited: 02/05/2013 at 11:21
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