P&D Autumn Marathon Training Thread

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23/08/2013 at 10:17
23/08/2013 at 11:05

Morning all. 6mi recovery for me today. Family are back from Japan and daughter wants to cycle with me while I run, so maybe be a bit stop/start.

23/08/2013 at 15:21

Steve Way and Scot Overall are obviously talented elite runners but I can't help wondering if they would be even faster if they had'nt run those last minute marathons.....!

No way of knowing of course which is the eternal dilemma of a marathon runner - elite, club or wannabe's.

Sometimes it just comes down to "hope & pray"

24/08/2013 at 06:50

Debutant - I've got a similar issue,  I've entered Kent Coastal (Thanet) Marathon five weeks before my target, which is Chester Marathon.  Also I've entered Tonbridge Half two weeks before Chester.

My plan for Thanet is 2 miles warm-up, 14-16 at marathon pace, the rest at long slow run pace.  I may walk the last few miles.  

I'll treat Tonbridge as a marathon pace run, with a two-mile warm-up after the start of the race. Discipline will be key!

Is this too ambitious?

Debutant wrote (see)

.... In 2 weeks time (6 weeks before Chicago marathon) I plan to do the Dingle marathon as a training run. 30 members of our club are going over to Ireland to do it and I did the half last year and really want to do the full.

The session that weekend calls for 18m with 14 at MP, apparently a key session! So should I do this and just run the rest of the miles at recovery pace? Run all miles at Long run pace

Also thinking of racing a half marathon 4 weeks from marathon day, Is that too close to marathon day? I will have 5 or 6 20+ Long runs done at this stage. 



24/08/2013 at 07:50

Had to read back a few pages to catch up. Interesting talk of races. I missed the race on the plan, instead ran a 10k time trial and ended up with a 'PB', who knows whether the Garmin was accurate. I like to think it was as I set off too quickly (5k race pace) for 2 miles, slowed a bit, then wanted to stop at 5 miles but found the discipline got continue. 

Was going to run 10k race last Sunday but it meant going back to work after 6 weeks holiday and doing 20 miles on Monday night so I binned that. Instead I had my folks to stay on Saturday night, dinner and wine, and a 20 miler on Sunday.  Had to run repeated 3 mile circuits as my water belt broke, I got a new one and decided quickly that I hate it as I just cannot get it to sit snugly. For the first time ever I'll be racing without carrying it. 

Parkrun for me today. Going for it as this is the race. I might do 2 miles warm up and a mile cool down, but am not doing 9 miles today! Hurt my arm stretching mid week. Couldn't decide was it shoulder, back or arm that was the problem but I could only lift halfway without having to use the other arm for support. The following day some weird shoulde contortions helped to raise it to shoulder height and thankfully now it seems to be easing after lots of ice and rest!

Taper week nearly over. 2 weeks today 

24/08/2013 at 11:32

Hello all. Supposed to be a tune up race day today, but instead did 11mi with 6 at LT pace.

24/08/2013 at 14:01

Thanks for the Steve Way link 15W. Many hours of blog reading there!

My plan of running the 4 miles to a parkrun worked out well. Did the parkrun in about 20:45 which I am happy with as there is a 100 foot hill you have to do twice. My only mistake was to start scoffing some free flapjacks afterwards before realising I had to run home! Oops

24/08/2013 at 22:40

PB at parkrun for me today of 21:18. I was absolutely delighted!

25/08/2013 at 16:55

Well done all on the park runs/

18mi for me this morning, was a bit knackered after yesterday's LT run.

25/08/2013 at 18:18

parkruns are fab! Just short of 15 miles for me today. Still trying to decide what marathon pace actually is! Got less than a fortnight to figure it out. 

Well done on your 18 miles 15West. Very humid for it just now. 

26/08/2013 at 11:31

Seems to have gone a little quiet on this thread lately.... I wonder how many are injured ? This high mileage stuff has its casualties.

I've just about managed to make it through the last 3 weeks of transatlantic work trip followed by couple of weeks holiday.... everything was going to plan until last week when I ended up with a cold on holiday so wisely decided to ditch the running and relax instead.... missed few sessions and the planned 32k on Saturday turned into a 19k instead as I was not sure I had 32k in me after illness.

Week 10/18 for me this week... first VO2max session tomorrow... looking forward to some faster training to be honest... lets hope my cold doesn't flare back up as the rest of the family now have it 

26/08/2013 at 11:59

Hello Mark and everyone else....no injury here, yet. Was knackered yesterday though. 6mi recovery run for me this morning, took it very easy...schedule looks a bit scary for the next few weeks.

26/08/2013 at 18:25

Congrats on your parkrun PB clag!

Pleased to report I've settled back into the regular running routine again after the short break away and a nasty stomach bug.  Managed a tough, all off-road 16 miles at the weekend and feel ready to get back on it now.  

This time in 8 weeks, I'll (hopefully) be a marathoner!

27/08/2013 at 08:25

Good stuff Tiny.

Morning all. VO2 session for me today, 12mi with 6x1000m. Off to do it now actually, get it out the way.

27/08/2013 at 09:07

Morning all,

Sorry another question!

My schedule this Saturday calls for an 8-15km tune up race (4-9miles)

and then says 13miles at planned MP

So a bit confused what to do as there is a bit of a difference between the two?

Well done on the parkrun PB clag, always a confidence booster to get PBs during marathon training.
Tiny the next 8 weeks will fly by - I like to break it down and look at it as only 5 weeks until the taper!
15West - Yes the plan is now looking a bit scary!


27/08/2013 at 12:41

Hi Debutant,

I am a bit confused by your question! I am sure P&D would never put a MP run the day after a tune-up race.

Normally the total distance of a tune-up race is longer than the race so you can do a couple of miles warm up and warm down. The day after the race normally specifies a long run (e.g. 17 miles.)

Are you doing a P&D schedule? If so what week of what plan?



27/08/2013 at 13:42

Hey Phil,

I'm doing the 55-70mile P&D

I'm on week 7 (7weeks to go), session 83 on the Excel spread sheet

I don't have the advanced marathoning book to hand,

Saturdays session says 8-15k Tune up race, next to it  is 13 miles at planned Marathon pace ?

Then Sundays session has an 18 mile long run.



27/08/2013 at 14:16

Okay, without having either the book or the spreadsheet to hand, I think:

  • the spreadsheet has the sessions in, and then it has a column for planned pace (based on the paces you entered in the other section) and a second section for pace (if it is, say, a VO2 reps session where you'll be using different paces for different bits).
  • the 13 miles would be the total distance of the session. Imagining you did a 3-mile warm-up, raced 15k, and then did a cool-down, that would be about 13. You might do a bit less for a shorter race.
  • the pace is tricky because it would depend what distance race you were really doing and how hard you thought it would be helpful to you to race it. So it's hard to map onto the pace columns as they stand in the spreadsheet to produce a predicted time for the session, and whoever put the spreadsheet together has just compromised on PMP as the target pace, but you can ignore that.

So that's my theory. Up to you if you think it's plausible or not!

Edited: 27/08/2013 at 14:18
27/08/2013 at 15:22

First VO2Max session done... 13k with 5x800... enjoyed it although the last few hurt, reckon I over-estimated my 5k time and ran them too fast... no way I could run a 5k at 3:4x/km.

Still a bit snotty after my cold... farmers hanky every few hundred yards 

27/08/2013 at 17:30

That sounds about right Literatin!

According to the book at the end of week 6 (meaning on the Sunday there are 6 weeks left) you do a 8K - 15K tune-up race (total 9-13miles) on the Saturday and a 18 miler on Sunday.

I guess if you raced a 10K and did 6 miles in total of warm up and warm down the resulting average pace might be close to MP?

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