P&D Spring Marathon Training Thread

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19/11/2013 at 14:31

Indeed Rachelcgen, I try not to get disheartened when some of the paces quoted for easy runs are faster than my mile repeat pace, I supose the good thing about running is you're really only competing with yourself and those that are at your own level.

19/11/2013 at 14:36

All paces are welcome here, it's only DT19 who has spurious 'adequacy' standards that I fail to meet!

Actually though that was one of the things I really liked about the P&D thread last year - everyone was working equally hard because we were all doing the same (or similar) things but at our own paces. Rather than a thread for a specific marathon where some people would be training 6 days a week and others could just breeze round on a few extra long runs in a quicker time.

19/11/2013 at 14:46

Hi Debutant! My first marathon was this years VLM 3:16, and I became a committed 'runner' in Jan. I was playing rugby before.

So I'm hoping to continue improving - sub 3 is definitely a stretch, but hopefully with enough commitment it will be OK.

19/11/2013 at 14:52

Yes everyones pace is welcome here except lits 5k pace

Decided to try and lay some demons to rest re running at mp pace this morning so did 16 miles with 5 at mp. Two errors made though-

1. I did it in middle and remaining six miles were murder.

2. I couldn't seem to hit mp. They all came in about 6.57 so 6 ish secs fast. I kept finding myself settling in at hmp so more tireing than needed to be. 

19/11/2013 at 15:06

First marathon in 3:16 you say, Freddy ?


19/11/2013 at 15:13

I think we need to compare the respective numbers of seconds now.

19/11/2013 at 15:20

Well you know mine and surely you've stalked Freddy by now

19/11/2013 at 15:28

Freddy - Welcome, pretty fast for a first marathon!

DT - I think this thread is for SPRING marathons.  Mow many miles a week are you doing?  Personally I think making the MP miles in the middle is a good idea, but then I'm not really up to 16 mile runs just at the moment.

Lit - I agree with your comments about the Autumn thread.

Rachelcgen - If 15 says it, it must be so!  Seriously though, we have quite a wide range of abilities here.  Have you read the bit in the up to 55 miles chapter in P&D where they something like "if you're doing this level of mileage you're probably a mid-pack runner"? I suspect that most people who do P&D up to 55 miles will find themselves a bit better than that.

19/11/2013 at 15:28

A significant amount of seconds! 

Mace have you managed to progress a lot since you set your first time? I plateaued a bit over the summer, but joined a club and I've manged a 10K PB in the last couple of weeks, so hopefully things are moving in the right direction!

My book is yet to arrive, is it a case of build your own plan from it, or are there set ones?




19/11/2013 at 16:09

Got in late last night, thought I'd read a quick chapter of P&D.. 2 hours later is was gone 1am and I was still reading. At 6am when my alarm went off to go for a run I slept straight through it. Bollocks.

Good Job the plan starts next week..



19/11/2013 at 16:27

thanks everyone, having seen how I've improved this year (from 0 to a half), i know that it's just putting in the work in the right places. And the fact that everyone will be working to the same plan(s) is good, the effort will be the same even if the final speed is different!

A question about speed though. Looking at the plan (and I'm currently doing some of the early weeks in a marathon plan from P&D Road Racing) it gives instructions to run at HMP, 10k pace for certain periods etc.  I have chosen somewhere between my current pace and my target pace, with the assumption that as I get better, the paces move towards the target pace. Is that what others do?

19/11/2013 at 16:47

Hi Rachel, I would always use my current paces, which I might then adjust if I did another race and could see that I'd improved. That's one reason to include tune-up races (and some people add a half somewhere prior to race day), so that you can recalculate what your current fitness is as you go.

I suppose some people probably make an exception for marathon pace, and use their target pace rather than a notional 'current fitness' level so they can get a feel for it. But that might be because they're planning to race the marathon at a pace slower than the McMillan calculator suggests.

19/11/2013 at 16:50

Freddy - is it 'significanterer' than 52 ?

I had a bit of an accident over the summer which held me back a bit but i believe i've improved, yes. Like you, i think sub 3 will be a stretch but will hopefully get comfortably inside 3:15 GFA.

Recently joined a club myself but only been out for a couple of long runs with them so far.

Are you talking the P&D book ? If so, there are indeed plans in the book. Good ones as well IMHO. If not, i don't know


EDIT -  realises this is the P&D thread and you probably do mean the P&D book

Edited: 19/11/2013 at 16:51
19/11/2013 at 16:56

Sgb- circa 45 a week. I have always trained to 15 miles anyway and never had a problem with distance/endurance. The reason I am getting some longer runs in now is that I have eight days leave to use by Xmas break which starts on 19 December. Therefore from early to mid October I have been taking a day off a week to run. So far done 16, 18, 20 then 16 today with mp stuff. 

Rachel- I have based everything I am doing on my SB half Mara time. I think training to aspirational paces is a recipe for disaster. Hopefully my ability will improve with all this but I would rather wait until I have a race tyime that tells me that.

20/11/2013 at 21:20

Rachel - I agree with those who've said you should stick to actual performances. 

DT - Thanks. That's a lot, but good for you!

Going back to 20-mile races, the last two years I've done one approximately 6 weeks before the target marathon, and aimed to run at target marathon pace. This year it worked well.  Unfortunately that race isn't being run this year. The nearest alternative seems to Surrey Spitfire, which looks good, but 4 weeks away is a bit close.

Any other suggestions?  I live in Kent. Runners World doesn't seem to offer any great other suggestions. 

20/11/2013 at 22:07
Essex 20 March 9th Colchester?
21/11/2013 at 05:57

Thanks.  It's a long way from home, but I'll think about it.  There's a very steep hill to climb three times, but otherwise looks OK.  How have you found it?

21/11/2013 at 07:39
I haven't done it I'm afraid! Lots of people from my club do it, the only complaint being it's a little close to London!
21/11/2013 at 08:35

SGB - where in Kent are you ? Thanet 20 is first Sunday in March

21/11/2013 at 09:22

Forget about Kent. Any 20mi races in Feb/Mar in the NW?

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