P&D Spring Marathon Training Thread

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04/12/2013 at 09:41

The mid week ML is a key part of the schedule. Split it at your peril.

04/12/2013 at 09:59

Freddy - what andrew said . The purpose of the mid week run is to build endurance and support the long run. Key session.

04/12/2013 at 10:00

There is a page or so in the book about when to use doubles and their value compared to doing one long continuous run.

04/12/2013 at 10:13

Getting up earlier it is! Looking forward to starting!

04/12/2013 at 10:54

Freddy - my alarm is already set for 5.40am on Tuesday mornings...and it's only going to get earlier as the weeks go on. My wife thinks I'm mad and I quite possibly am!

Rest day for me today - I feel soooo much better and full of energy. Somewhat strangely, tomorrow's 9mile GA sounds quite easy at the moment!

04/12/2013 at 11:07

Freddy - doing one long is better than doing two short...but getting up that early is going to be real tough...so if you're feeling knackered and drained then give yourself some extra sleep and do the two. If you do two best to make one shortish (4 mi?) and the other longish (11?). Sleep is a big part of the recovery process.

04/12/2013 at 11:08

+1 for keeping the midweek 15 as 1 run. I think it's probably the crux of why Pfitz works so well in general

04/12/2013 at 11:11

I too think that the midweek ML run was one of the things that made running the actual marathon feel manageable for me last year. But I don't think I'd be getting up at 5:30am or before either.

andrews - I think if you are doing an MP run the average pace guideline for the whole run doesn't apply - just do the warm-up at your normal easy pace.

04/12/2013 at 11:17

andrews - you will find those mp runs hard...I always find them really hard and struggle to keep to mp for the whole required distance...but they are meant to be hard so your body adapts. They should get easier the more you do...but P&D ups the distance of them to keep them tough...the bastards.

04/12/2013 at 11:18

when i did my mp run yesterday i did 3.5m warm as normal. Stopped, had a stretch and reset my garmin, did 8 straight miles. Stopped again and had a stretch and reset my garmin then ran 1.5miles as a cool down.

I would rather go out and run at 10pm than get up at 5.30am!!


04/12/2013 at 11:48

Lit, yes I think you're correct, otherwise the pace for the slower miles is awkwardly slow.

I ran 4 at the slower end of my ML/LR paces (7:18-7:58) then 8 at 6:32 (target MP of 6:38). It was pretty tough, but I think I'm ready to start the plan with a goal marathon time of 2:54.

Just hope I can avoid injury this time around!

Regarding early starts; in the past I've had to get up at 04:10 to fit long runs in before Sunday day shifts. Will be grim for a spring marathon - but think of the glory!

Edited: 04/12/2013 at 11:51
04/12/2013 at 12:02

Was up at 5:30 am today to practise the 9 with 4 @ tempo. Felt hard but good.

Felt really awake afterwards and now the rest of the day is clear for other pursuits. So early starts get my vote.

04/12/2013 at 12:05

Early starts for me too... If I don't get out to run first thing in the morning I dont think I would get out at all.

04/12/2013 at 12:12

Yeah, but there's early and there's actual certifiable insanity. I will not be getting up at any time that doesn't at least start with a 6.

(disclaimer: I work a 15-minute bike ride from my house, have slightly flexible working hours, depending on the day, and don't have kids)

Edited: 04/12/2013 at 12:14
04/12/2013 at 12:21

Thanks Ryan & Lit. Food for thought!   Not sure why I was so fast last night.  Having run an average total of only 5 miles a week for the last 2 months, I guess I was extremely well tapered!

On reflection, I suspect Ryan's guess at my LT (7:36) is not far off.  I had preconceived ideas that I would be pretty terrible, and probably fell into the trap of working slightly too hard to compensate for that... hence went faster than my true LT...  but if I take an additional 15-20s per mile (up to about 7:36), then I should be the right side of the line.   But I'll wait until I've done a bit more - and the suggested 10K - before being more definitive.

04/12/2013 at 13:22
Ramjet wrote (see)

Was up at 5:30 am today to practise the 9 with 4 @ tempo. Felt hard but good.

Felt really awake afterwards and now the rest of the day is clear for other pursuits. So early starts get my vote.

You'll be knackered later though.

04/12/2013 at 13:39

There was a time when i just couldn't run mornings but i've done a reverse over the last year.

Now i can't imagine doing a full days work and then having to get home in the dark and changed to run 12-15 miles or 10 with 5 tempo.I'd never see my kids during marathon training.

Bed around 10, alarm for 5-5:30 , out without thinking about it,  done and dusted by 7:30. Hardly any traffic and zero obnoxious teenagers hanging around on street corners to deal with.

There's also something very satisfying about finishing a session as the sun's coming up

Edited: 04/12/2013 at 13:40
04/12/2013 at 13:49

I really admire those who can get up that early to run, especially during the winter.

04/12/2013 at 14:05

I'm far more a morning person, running into work where luckily have access to showers. Although I think that I'm going to have to work hard at convincing myself about doing the long mid-week runs when it's cold out in the morning!  

04/12/2013 at 14:10

6 April: Brighton
mace - 3:05 18/70 with some fiddling about
Nose Nowt - 3:40 - adapted 18/55
Lisa 123 - sub 4 - 18/55

6 April: Lochaber
StewartC - sub 4 - 18/70

6 April: Manchester

Kease7 2:59 18/70
Debutant 3:05 18/70
NSGNR - sub 3.45 - mix of 18/55 and 18/70
AgentGinger - sub4 - 18/55

6 April: Paris 
yer_maj - sub 4 or die - 18/55

13 April: VMLM 
Ryan Snell - sub 2:45 - adapted 12/85
15West- sub 2:48 - 18/70/85 (mix of both) 
Andrews148 - sub 3 - 18/70
Freddy 1 - Sub 3.00 - 18/85
DT19- Sub 3.05 - 18/55 
Literatin - sub 3:05 - 18/70 
Ramjet - 3:25 - 18/70
Dr.Dan - 3:25 - 18/55 (Haddapted)
running220 - sub 3:30 - 18/70 
Shazmo – sub 3.30 – 18/55 (may reconsider goal as currently injured)
Rachelcgen - sub 4:30 - 18/55

21 April: Boston
Shazmo – sub 4 – 1 week recovery after VMLM

6 May: Milton Keynes 
Xyloid - sub 4:00 - 18/55

I'm doing manchester, hoping to under sub 3  

Edited: 04/12/2013 at 14:15
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