P&D Spring Marathon Training Thread

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04/12/2013 at 14:20

Yep, I would say i envy those that can get up and be done for 7.30. Balancing this train around seeing family as well will be quite tricky as it peaks in feb/march.

04/12/2013 at 14:32

Just say bye to the kids until the spring.

04/12/2013 at 14:34

6 April: Brighton
mace - 3:05 18/70 with some fiddling about
Nose Nowt - 3:40 - adapted 18/55
Lisa 123 - sub 4 - 18/55

6 April: Lochaber
StewartC - sub 4 - 18/70

6 April: Manchester

Kease7 2:59 18/70
Debutant 3:05 18/70
NSGNR - sub 3.45 - mix of 18/55 and 18/70
AgentGinger - sub4 - 18/55

6 April: Paris 
yer_maj - sub 4 or die - 18/55

13 April: VMLM 
Ryan Snell - sub 2:45 - adapted 12/85
15West- sub 2:48 - 18/70/85 (mix of both) 
Andrews148 - sub 3 - 18/70
Freddy 1 - Sub 3.00 - 18/85
DT19- Sub 3.05 - 18/55 
Literatin - sub 3:05 - 18/70
marrows - sub 3:10 18/70
Ramjet - 3:25 - 18/70
Dr.Dan - 3:25 - 18/55 (Haddapted)
running220 - sub 3:30 - 18/70 
Shazmo – sub 3.30 – 18/55 (may reconsider goal as currently injured)
Rachelcgen - sub 4:30 - 18/55

21 April: Boston
Shazmo – sub 4 – 1 week recovery after VMLM

6 May: Milton Keynes 
Xyloid - sub 4:00 - 18/55

Hello everyone.  I'm new to here and usually cagey about targets but decided this semi-public-somewhat-anonymous-sort-of-commitment may help motivate me.  I think it'll help with speed if I can drop a kilo or two, so feel free to remind me not to eat so many pies. Anything you others need or want to be nagged about?

04/12/2013 at 14:36

YUM, pies! It won't be anonymous when we demand your race number so we can live-stalk your 5km splits and then look up and laugh at your photos post-race. But welcome.

04/12/2013 at 14:43

It a shame so many of us are running London, as that one provides the best live stalk technology

Just looking at the list above, I seem to be the only person aiming for sub 3.30 not doing a 70 mile plan. Am i missing something or perhaps being a touch naive in terms of my targetting?? I much rather under promise/over deliver than vice versa!!

04/12/2013 at 14:46

6 April: Brighton
mace - 3:05 18/70 with some fiddling about
Nose Nowt - 3:40 - adapted 18/55
Lisa 123 - sub 4 - 18/55

6 April: Lochaber
StewartC - sub 4 - 18/70

6 April: Manchester

Kease7 2:59 18/70
Debutant 3:05 18/70
NSGNR - sub 3.45 - mix of 18/55 and 18/70
AgentGinger - sub4 - 18/55

6 April: Paris 
yer_maj - sub 4 or die - 18/55

6 April: Zurich

cleanshoes - sub 4 - adapted Higdon novice 2 for now, then 12/55

13 April: VMLM 
Ryan Snell - sub 2:45 - adapted 12/85
15West- sub 2:48 - 18/70/85 (mix of both) 
Andrews148 - sub 3 - 18/70
Freddy 1 - Sub 3.00 - 18/85
DT19- Sub 3.05 - 18/55 
Literatin - sub 3:05 - 18/70
marrows - sub 3:10 18/70
Ramjet - 3:25 - 18/70
Dr.Dan - 3:25 - 18/55 (Haddapted)
running220 - sub 3:30 - 18/70 
Shazmo – sub 3.30 – 18/55 (may reconsider goal as currently injured)
Rachelcgen - sub 4:30 - 18/55

21 April: Boston
Shazmo – sub 4 – 1 week recovery after VMLM

6 May: Milton Keynes 
Xyloid - sub 4:00 - 18/55

Apologies I appear to have slightly damaged the formatting, but at least I get my own section.

04/12/2013 at 14:50

DT - overall mileage is just one part of it - most important is getting in quality sessions on your long runs, LT runs and (to a lesser extent) your VO2. I got sub 3.30 on probably about 30-40mi/wk.

05/12/2013 at 07:23

I have question regarding the different plans. If a runner runs the up-to55 mpw and runs all their runs at the prescribed paces for their target time, on the day should they be able to meet their target?

If so, why then opt for 70 or 85 mile plans?

Also, has anyone else had problems accessing this site in the last couple of days? 

Edited: 05/12/2013 at 07:30
05/12/2013 at 07:47

Andrews- that essentially was my point in a less direct way. If the 55m plan works what benefit is there in 75m given additional injury risk. 

05/12/2013 at 08:38

There is a bit in the book about this...I think in first chapter. Overall mileage does help a bit with your endurance which is why the elite runners are running over 100mi/wk. So, more the better, but fitting in more miles around work and family etc means less chance for decent recovery and more chance of injury.

I ran London marathon last year and followed the 55-70 plan and got 2hr50, and then followed the 70-85 plan for Chester and got a PB by 50s. Not sure if the extra mileage is worth the extra 50s to be honest! So, this time round doing the long/mid/lt runs from the 70-85 plan, but the recovery days from the 55-70 plan. I think as I get older I need more recovery, I felt too knackered over the summer to hit the paces required for the mp/LT/VO2 runs.

05/12/2013 at 08:43

Isn't the idea of any training plan to train at current fitness level rather than target time ?

Which would mean, for somebody with a current fitness ( based on a recent race time ) of a 4hr Marathon, that a 55M plan could get them maybe 3:50, a 70M plan say 3:45 and an 85M plan say 3:40.

05/12/2013 at 08:46

Ok, got the book. It's all on p17. Goes on about extra mileage better but only to a point...in that different individuals can handle different amounts depending on circumstances, biomechanics etc etc. Also there are diminishing returns...so the improvement you will get from increasing from 50 to 70 will be more than that from 70 to 90.

05/12/2013 at 09:37

DT19 - I recently 3:08 off the 18/55 plan but like you I was targeting 3:05 - I followed the plan pretty religiously and although I'm quite happy with the result I'm not confident that more of the same will get me my GFA time - you might be able to run a strong 3:05 from it, having tried it I'm pretty sure I can't!

This training cycle has started brilliant for me, day 1 I chopped my leg open climbing through a barbed wire fence, day 2 I faceplanted on the towpath leaving me with a bloody knee and a pronounced limp. Who knows what tonight's run will bring?

6 April: Brighton
mace - 3:05 18/70 with some fiddling about
icklemichael - 3:05 - 18/70
Nose Nowt - 3:40 - adapted 18/55
Lisa 123 - sub 4 - 18/55

6 April: Lochaber
StewartC - sub 4 - 18/70

6 April: Manchester
Kease7 2:59 18/70
Debutant 3:05 18/70
NSGNR - sub 3.45 - mix of 18/55 and 18/70
AgentGinger - sub4 - 18/55

6 April: Paris
yer_maj - sub 4 or die - 18/55

6 April: Zurich
cleanshoes - sub 4 - adapted Higdon novice 2 for now, then 12/55

13 April: VMLM
Ryan Snell - sub 2:45 - adapted 12/85
15West- sub 2:48 - 18/70/85 (mix of both)
Andrews148 - sub 3 - 18/70
Freddy 1 - Sub 3.00 - 18/85
DT19- Sub 3.05 - 18/55
Literatin - sub 3:05 - 18/70
marrows - sub 3:10 18/70
Ramjet - 3:25 - 18/70
Dr.Dan - 3:25 - 18/55 (Haddapted)
running220 - sub 3:30 - 18/70
Shazmo – sub 3.30 – 18/55 (may reconsider goal as currently injured)
Rachelcgen - sub 4:30 - 18/55

21 April: Boston
Shazmo – sub 4 – 1 week recovery after VMLM

6 May: Milton Keynes
Xyloid - sub 4:00 - 18/55

05/12/2013 at 09:40

Thanks 15west, that makes sense now.

Icklemichael- what half time were you coming from to do that?? I imagine that at this rate, by sundays run you are likely to be killed in a freak accident of some sort!!

05/12/2013 at 09:50

tell it to him straight, DT.

05/12/2013 at 09:50

15, that would make sense as although it's the same increase in absolute terms, the % increase is less.

05/12/2013 at 10:06

Icklemichael, I'm sure the 18/70 will work for you - if you survive!

I ran it in Autumn 2012 targeting 3:10 and in training ran at the paces for that, but on the day went balls-out and ran 3:01. Not a pleasant run though!

Edited: 05/12/2013 at 10:08
05/12/2013 at 10:22

Planned to run home last night to fit in my 9mi GA run, but got a call from Mrs Ginger half an hour before i was due to leave saying there was water pouring through the living room ceiling and the power had cut out. Cue expensive plumber call-out, and an evening spent cleaning up :-\

So that I don't fall too far behind I'm going to sneak in the 9miles this lunchtime instead (hurray for absent bosses), then get my 12-13mi run done on Saturday morning before we get the train up to manchester to see friends for the weekend.

It's one thing to map out your training plan, and talk about optimal recovery days, nutrition, fuelling on runs, but when it comes to it, much of this amateur running lark is just fitting it all in around your life.

I like Mike Tyson's response, when reporters were asking him, before a fight how we was going to deal with his opponents style, that his opponent was going to do this, and do that.

"Everyone has a plan until they get hit in the mouth"

05/12/2013 at 10:42

DT - I ran a pretty comfortable 1:26 during the training, which I'd interpreted to mean I was on track. My best half previous to that was in another 18/55 block and that was a not raced 1:32 - however much I emphasise not raced doubling my half time for a marathon target looks a bit suspicious...

andrews - that's reassuring but you must have been gutted to miss 3 by a minute! I am going to try and run 3:05 and only 3:05 this spring, next year I'm only allowed to run marathon and I don't want to mess it up.

 

05/12/2013 at 11:12

Life eh!! I have prepared all my cycles from the book but taking account of things i know I have on over the spring. I am now on week 2 and whilst so far I will have got everything in, neither week have seen me execute the training exactly as per my pre prepared schedule set out! And next week is shaping up to be no different.

Have you not actually raced a HM during training?

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