Shades Marathon Training

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12/11/2012 at 06:01

Helloooo everyone... Did my first marathon this weekend at Cognac, finishing in 4:10.

Was in complete state before, received Shades' plan only 3 weeks ago so have been trying to follow the training run up to the race but found the tapering off quite difficult... Am used to getting up to run at 6am so was still waking up at this time then pacing the house wild eyed imagining horrendous scenarios such as self in heap by side of road with ventolin inhaler surrounded by pitying onlookers

Atmosphere at race brilliant. As my first marathon have nothing to compare it to but I found it well organised, plenty of animation and lots of encouragement. The course itself was fab - through vineyards, a couple of chateaux and even several distilleries where we were surrounded by barrels and the wonderful smell of cognac.

I think I got my pacing wrong, at half way point was at 1:50 (I did my first semi in sept in 1:49) was feeling fine but started slowing down and at 28k to 32k was really struggling and had to walk a bit up a couple of hills (not steep either). This really panicked me as have never walked in training and really started to doubt myself and wonder if I would finish. After this I walked through the water stations and found this helped me to run just focusing on the next stop! Things got better after 35k and I finished at a good pace. My legs were like bits of wood, fortunately arms not affected so was able to bravely lift cognac glass from position on floor

Have been following this thread for a while and have loved reading all your accounts, you have inspired me and motivated me to keep going.. thank you!

Emmy - something you said a while ago really helped - about not running against anyone else but yourself and I have really taken this on board.

Thank you again for the plan Shades. Will def enter another marathon in the spring but will have benefit of following your plan properly so hopefully can try for a 4hr finish


12/11/2012 at 07:00

mamafox - well done at completing your first marathon and you did it well.   You maybe went off a little fast but recovered well to finish strongly.

Big G - sorry to hear your tum problems cutting your run short.   A very common problem, you may want to look at your diet the day before your long run, not just your breakfast.   Many runners use Imodium for their long runs and races, but better to resolve by diet if you can.

No, never run with a mobile phone.

Emmy - well done on finishing especially as you'd considered dropping out, the experience will make you stronger.   Laps are hard if you're not used to them, I know many runners that can't even do a 2 lap marathon.   That is a high heart rate so something wasn't right.

Khanivore - that's a good run for 18 miles, you're certainly taking well to this marathon training.   Re pace for your half, use the prescribed pace calculated by your last 10k, and if it's too slow for you speed up once you get to half way (not before).

slowkoala - a speedy training run.  How's your training going?   VR has a foam roller, and I've heard good reports about them.

Keith - well done, a good double from you this weekend.

Edited: 12/11/2012 at 07:07
12/11/2012 at 07:46

mamafox - fantastic writeup! Really enjoyed it Well done on your first marathon - a massive massive achievement! Awesome time too. 

Shades - according to macmillan my 1/2 marathon pace is 8:47. This seems a little ambitious to me. I will give it a go though and see what happens As you say I can always adjust during the race.

Oh dear - both of the twins have had a terrible cough and a cold for several days. I am amazed I have not caught it. However, this morning I woke up and I think my body is finally giving in. I can feel a cold coming on. Terrible timing with my first 1/2 marathon coming up next weekend. I have been waiting so long for this so i can get a more accurate set of training paces and marathon time prediction

12/11/2012 at 08:14

@Mamafox- well done on the marathon! I had a friend running Cognac and the initial reports are all positive! Did you get a bottle of cognac at the end?..... (this may persuade me for next year ).

@Shades - To be honest; i'm scared. It broke me and took me to a place i've never been before. I was crying as I was running along thinking: what the hell are you doing?  I was planning to go out this morning for a recovery jog but slept through my alarm so think I needed the sleep more!

@Khani - what bad luck I hope that your body can fight the cold.

@Keith - well done on the marathon. How are you feeling this morning?

Does anyone know how Mowser got on?

12/11/2012 at 08:22

@Emmy I honestly think you will look back at your trials and tribulations and draw strength from it. You now know without any doubt that things can get really bad and you keep going. The fact that you doubted yourself and still made it speaks volumes. 

12/11/2012 at 08:23

Khanivore - why not start out at 9 min/mile pace and see how it goes from there.   Hope the cold comes to nothing.

((Emmy)) - it doesn't matter how many marathons or ultras a runner has done, they can bite you at any time and give you the day from hell.   You had a bad day, but that will make you stronger and you got through it.   Don't worry about it, just move on.

12/11/2012 at 08:44

Shades - 9 min/mile was my original plan to be honest. I think I will stick to that and save the faster times for Brighton half marathon in Feb.

12/11/2012 at 08:53

Shades I really wanted to do a half marathon in the middle of december and/or january but I can not find any that I can get to I have one booked for mid-Feb. The VLM is mid-April, would it be ok to do a half marathon mid-March? Reading is the one I was thinking about but I don't want to sign up if you think I should be focussed on other things 1 month before the full marathon.

12/11/2012 at 09:51

@Shades/Khani - you're both right. It's a learning experience and one to put in the experience bank.

12/11/2012 at 13:03

Khanivore - one month before your marathon is a good time to do a half marathon as you're marathon training will be almost complete and it will give a good indicator of your marathon pace at VLM.

Emmy - when is your next race and your next marathon?

Edited: 12/11/2012 at 13:04
12/11/2012 at 13:21

VR - great write up in the Trotter about you  thanks for the kind mention in despatches

12/11/2012 at 13:26

Hi Shades, Officially - the next race is 23rd Dec and that's a 10km race. The next marathon is 5-6 January and the Enigma Winter Double but I'm on the reserve list for the Saxon Shore in Kent in December but we need to see if that's a possibility.

What about yourself?

12/11/2012 at 13:35
SHADES wrote (see)

VR - great write up in the Trotter about you  thanks for the kind mention in despatches

Your welcome  I wonder what I would be doing if I hadn't come onto this thead  

12/11/2012 at 13:54

Emmy - Yes, I did get a bottle of cognac, and very nice it is too!  It sounds as though you had a really horrible time in your last race. I know I am a newcomer to marathons but finding myself staggering round panicking at 28k then recovering and managing to finish at a reasonable pace has made me feel a bit stronger. It was really awful at the time but I got through it and hopefully will try and use this experience in a positive way next time!

Khanivore - thank you for your kind message, hope your cold doesn't get any worse.. sometimes keeping running through it seems to help... 

Am still hobbling down stairs after Saturday's race and contemplating installing one of those stanner lift things.. is this normal?

12/11/2012 at 13:57

10km done yesterday in beautiful sunshine early in the monring.. stunning!

went horse riding afterwards.. not sure which hurt mor ebut very stiff this afternoon!

12/11/2012 at 14:00

@Mamafox - that's good to know I got a lovely bottle of wine from Medoc As Shades has said - it's a bad day at the office and just to learn and move on to the next one.

I find walking down the stairs backwards helps I have the same issues!

12/11/2012 at 15:18

mamafox - excellent first marathon , hope you hang around on this thread.

Keith - good running from you over the weekend . I always find that course difficult for some reason. Set off a bit too fast as I was chatting with a friend, she then went flying off on the first full lap and I didn't see her again until after the finish (she reminds me of a Duracel Bunny ). Felt a little light headed after 2 laps so stopped for a drink with electrolites and some flapjack (plus a toilet stop at the restaurant which cost 4 mins). Felt a bit better then although calves ached slightly all the way. Had a strange ache in my shoulder too (which I had a few months ago) but this stopped when I took off my gloves . Took advantage of seeing people I know during the last couple of laps and had a little walk while I chatted to them. Finished in 4:23, which if you subtract the pit stop is about the same as my best time at the lake, so was happy with that. Swollen knee from Rutland had cleared up by midweek, so only had the usual knee niggle which didn't hurt at all until way after the finish when I turned round quickly. Still sore today but not sure what causes it.

Emmy - the important thing is that you finished  and that you still want to do more. The good thing about a marathon is that if you are feeling really bad you can walk and admire the views or have a chat to someone (lots of others will be doing the same). You can't do that in a 5 or 10k .

VR, Shades - off to see if I can access the Trotter on-line .

12/11/2012 at 16:20
Shades - training going well, thanks. Been doing a tempo run most weeks of around 3-5 miles, an easy run sometimes with hills of 6-7 miles and a long run on Sundays of 10-14 miles. 14 miles is the longest I have run. Have joined a local club which is quite laid back and have been going to theri saturday session. Did a timed mile one week and then some intervals the next. Good fun as I'm not used to being around other runners! It does mean than I now run 3 days in a row which maybe explains why my thigh aches after Sundays. I am aiming to start the shades schedule properly in mid December. Should I continue to build up the LSRs gradually between now and then and then when I start the schedule keep going from where I am at in terms of the LSR distance? Hope this makes sense!
12/11/2012 at 16:41

@VR - Mowser makes a good point -can we view the trotters online?

@Mowser - Well done! I know what you mean about the course. I'm a tad worried for the Enigma winter double.... i'll be seeing that windmill a few more times than I think i'd like to! It's strange about your shoulder - how are you feeling today? Does it still ache?

I agree about talking to people... I attached myself to someone doing the ultra and we kept each other company. I also had the pleasure of meeting someone who is on marathon 107, another on 517 ....or something crazy in the 500's and a few others who made me think that they're absolutely crazy!

@Slowkoala - do you have any races planned soon?

12/11/2012 at 18:23

Emmy - I'm off to Ireland this weekend, a 30 miler on a very hilly course

VR - just think of all the cross stitch you could have completed by now.....and you'd be a lot richer too

mamafox - perfectly normal for your first marathon, a little gentle stretching, some walking, warm baths and you'll soon be fine.  

Slowkoala - just be careful that that niggle doesn't turn into an injury.   You're well ahead of the schedule so it might be a good idea not to increase any distance at the moment and let that little twinge heal up first.

mowser - you do seem to have an odd collection of niggles and aches during a race, but I'm the same and then they go away (hopefully)

Link to Trotter mag here, I think it's supposed to be for club members only but this is important!

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